OnlyforDCS Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) No is not capable of that, this is ridiculous. In any case the F-15 is capable to get 36000m. You and everybody here can make screenshots about this non sense capability. Are you talking about real life or you just talking about what you can do in the Sim actually? Simulation is not take the game over the real life, just in case you lost the point we are not talking about what you can do in the Sim, but what you can simulate from the real life. This is a simulator. I guess you know that... You seem to be looking for a fight. That is a sure way to get banned on these forums. You post nonsense without knowing the explanation and facts and scream at the top of your lungs that things are somehow "Wrong". Could you please answer some questions first? Do you know how many feet there are in one meter? Do you understand the meaning of the phrase "thrust to weight ratio"? Have you ever heard of the phrase "zoom climb" and do you know what it entails? Do you understand the meaning of the term "service ceiling" and the difference between that and "absolute ceiling"? Did you know that the US Air Force manual for the F15C was written based on empirical evidence? Once you answer all of these questions (and you don't have to answer them to me, just to yourself) you will figure out where you went wrong, I hope you do realize that you are wrong, as admitting that you are wrong is the first step to improving yourself and your knowledge. I also hope that you are not a troll, just someone who is misinformed or ignorant of the facts. Edited January 20, 2016 by OnlyforDCS Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel101 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Regarding the screenshoot... one screenshoot alone doesn´t prove anything. I put the Flanker at full cargo at 75000 fts. with just 3 click in the editor. If you want to prove something, provide something more solid like a track or Acmi and before (please) check with solid information like a manual if that is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepin1234 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 You seem to be looking for a fight. That is a sure way to get banned on these forums. You post nonsense without knowing the explanation and facts and scream at the top of your lungs that things are somehow "Wrong". Could you please answer some questions first? Do you know how many feet there are in one meter? Do you understand the meaning of the phrase "thrust to weight ratio"? Have you ever heard of the phrase "zoom climb" and do you know what it entails? Do you understand the meaning of the term "service ceiling" and the difference between that and "absolute ceiling"? Did you know that the US Air Force manual for the F15C was written based on empirical evidence? Once you answer all of these questions (and you don't have to answer them to me, just to yourself) you will figure out where you went wrong, I hope you do realize that you are wrong, as admitting that you are wrong is the first step to improving yourself and your knowledge. I also hope that you are not a troll, just someone who is misinformed or ignorant of the facts. First I don't want this going in personal direction, but I see you are attempting a personal aggression even you feel the right to announce the bann of a user of this forum like you are a Senator or some stuffs. Be calm and listen: First the F-15 is not a missile or something similar to a ballistic intercontinental missile. So the way you are trying to calculate the altitude of the F-15 is out of any logic. Go and teach your Theory to the new generations of your "empirical" combats pilots to see if they can reach 140000 ft in a serie fighter. Respect to receive respect... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyforDCS Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) Go and teach your Theory to the new generations of your "empirical" combats pilots to see if they can reach 140000 ft in a serie fighter. Actually I am approaching you with the ultimate respect. You however are not interested in any kind of discussion, and throw around these figures like they are gospel. Please provide a source, track or video for this figure because I can't get that high in the FC3 F15C even when Zoom Climbing. Edited January 20, 2016 by OnlyforDCS Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSKRipper Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 First I don't want this going in personal direction, but I see you are attempting a personal aggression even you feel the right to announce the bann of a user of this forum like you are a Senator or some stuffs. Be calm and listen: First the F-15 is not a missile or something similar to a ballistic intercontinental missile. So the way you are trying to calculate the altitude of the F-15 is out of any logic. Go and teach your Theory to the new generations of your "empirical" combats pilots to see if they can reach 140000 ft in a serie fighter. Respect to receive respect... Once again Pepin. please show us a track from your machine with these (in your opinion) false behaviour and we can discuss about it like adults. i9 9900K @ 5,0GHz | 1080GTX | 32GB RAM | 256GB, 512GB & 1TB Samsung SSDs | TIR5 w/ Track Clip | Virpil T-50 Stick with extension + Warthog Throttle | MFG Crosswind pedals | Gametrix 908 Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 No it isn't, which is why you don't see it reaching orbit. It has no problem with sustained flight up to 60000' (20000m), and it has no problem zooming to over 30000m, in real life. These things have been done and are well documented. Go ahead, prove that something that has happened in RL is not true. BTW, you didn't reach 140000'. But you should have no problem reaching 15000m. In fact, there are Vietnam era jets that had no problem flying at those altitudes. First the F-15 is not a missile or something similar to a ballistic intercontinental missile. So the way you are trying to calculate the altitude of the F-15 is out of any logic. Go and teach your Theory to the new generations of your "empirical" combats pilots to see if they can reach 140000 ft in a serie fighter. Respect to receive respect... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyforDCS Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 :music_whistling: Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoflSeal Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 It's most definitely possible to go 36000m, when you enter a Mach 2+ zoom climb at 15,000m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Celestial Eagle: Zoom climb to 80000' in order to launch ASAT. Done in real life. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IASGATG Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I take it in these tests were spawning our jets at the max alt and speed the mission editor will allow right? I can believe it if that's the case because you've created an impossible set of starting parameters. Tracks please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinusoidDelta Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 No, absolutely not. I flew a trajectory documented in a NASA paper regarding zoom climb trajectory for upper atmospheric sampling research. I won't share the track because I had to do an immense amount of studying to accomplish it. There's no such thing as a free lunch. This thread should be locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JINX_1391 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 not interested in any kind of discussion, and throw around these figures like they are gospel :music_whistling: [sIGPIC]http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn266/JINX1391/jinx%20f99th%20sig_zps2hgu4xsl.png[/sIGPIC] "90% of the people who actually got to fly the F/A-18C module there (E3 2017) have never even heard of DCS or are otherwise totally undeserving pieces of trash." -Pyromanic4002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 No, absolutely not. I flew a trajectory documented in a NASA paper regarding zoom climb trajectory for upper atmospheric sampling research. I won't share the track because I had to do an immense amount of studying to accomplish it. There's no such thing as a free lunch. This thread should be locked. Check that, I think Scat was talking to the other guy. Edit: Also... Celestial Eagle: Zoom climb to 80000' in order to launch ASAT. Done in real life. Was the ASAT porno really necessary GG? Lord of Salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWillis Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Less speed = less lift, but weight is a constant - apart from fuel burnt of course. Weight (Mass really, which is slightly different) - well that IS related to speed in one respect, but only in Einstein's equation (E=MC squared), and only related to the square of the speed of light as a constant in that case. The centre of gravity will shift very slightly towards the lowered undercarriage leg, but you'd never really notice that due to the other more influential factors - like the adrenaline rush that just appeared in the backside of your flying suit. Sorry guys, but I couldn't resist making this post - I'm bored I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinusoidDelta Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I thought scat was inferring the screen shots were faked by placing the jet at that altitude in editor, which I did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IASGATG Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 No, absolutely not. I flew a trajectory documented in a NASA paper regarding zoom climb trajectory for upper atmospheric sampling research. I won't share the track because I had to do an immense amount of studying to accomplish it. There's no such thing as a free lunch. This thread should be locked. No such thing as a free lunch? lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr1malr8ge Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 No is not capable of that, this is ridiculous. In any case the F-15 is capable to get 36000m. You and everybody here can make screenshots about this non sense capability. Are you talking about real life or you just talking about what you can do in the Sim actually? Simulation is not take the game over the real life, just in case you lost the point we are not talking about what you can do in the Sim, but what you can simulate from the real life. This is a simulator. I guess you know that... What are you? Troll or goblin? I'm sorry but you're just plain wrong. I have confirmed with an actual Eagle driver [this means HE FLEW the f15 in real life in combat during Desert Storm] That an eagle with three bags[mind you those three bags would not be full] and a full weapons load can reach and sustain 47,000ft with out any issue. Hell he even said when He was farrying from hawii to Japan with three bags full weapons and everything being full[both internal and external] being toed by a tanker at 33-37,000ft out of burners it was fine. To top this off. He also said in training he used to do a intercept profile for a fast moving target like the sr71 they would zoom climb with full weapons to 75,000ft! mind you this was not a streak eagle climb profile resulting in 75,000ft being the apex. YOU NEED TO STOP TRYING TO ARGUE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG AS THERE IS NOT! For the WIN [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]If your desired effect on the target is making the pilot defecate his pants laughing then you can definitely achieve it with a launch like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 :thumbup::thumbup: And there we have it, someone grabbed an SME... Thanks Pr1mal. Lord of Salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr1malr8ge Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 :thumbup::thumbup: And there we have it, someone grabbed an SME... Thanks Pr1mal. just to clearify for our troll friend what SME stands.. It means SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT.. I.e. a real life F15 eagle pilot. One that flew the EXACT model that is in this game in the same TIMEFRAME that ED has it currently Modeled. For the WIN [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]If your desired effect on the target is making the pilot defecate his pants laughing then you can definitely achieve it with a launch like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humptydumpty Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share Posted January 20, 2016 Well this thread of mine went pretty long and the matter has been resolved Now we just need a clickable pit so I can study this aircraft . BTW I don't want to start a new thread just for this but I need to know what values are the best for the joystick curves and deadzone . currently I am using the deadzone and curves similar to the Mig21 3 - deadzone 25 - curvature the above is for all three axis. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Attitude Power Trim Power Attitude Trim Wing Commander SWAC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I used something similar on my TM Warthog, right now I'm using 3 deadzone and 40 curvature on pitch, 3 deadzone and 20-30 curvature on roll. My stick is mounted to the chair, so that might change things a bit. Lord of Salt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr1malr8ge Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) More proof for our friend that thinks the eagle can't do anything. I just realized he hinted that the f15 could do it with out even being in Afterburn. So it would be wise for you to just go hide back in the Russian corner cause the boogyman f15 at 47,000ft had it's eye on you! :P Edited January 20, 2016 by pr1malr8ge For the WIN [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]If your desired effect on the target is making the pilot defecate his pants laughing then you can definitely achieve it with a launch like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinusoidDelta Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 No such thing as a free lunch? lol. Just saying that if it provides a tactical advantage, I'm not going to advertise it for all to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Well if you did advertise it you'd be out of free lunches ;) Anyway, there's nothing here that isn't covered by the documents ... it's just that pepin seems to think that 'RuAF make undocumented use of R-77', while 'documented F-15 capability is fake'. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr1malr8ge Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 anyone want to get in on an "office pool" that piepen or what ever his name is, will ultimately still try and say the eagle at 47k with full load and 3 bags can't happen? For the WIN [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]If your desired effect on the target is making the pilot defecate his pants laughing then you can definitely achieve it with a launch like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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