Marneuli AB

[Zaku]

I've been conducting a lot of research on the current composition of the Georgian armed forces, and it seems that in the past 5 years or so all of Georgia's fixed wing assets have transitioned from Kutaisi to Marneuli AB. Marneuli city is on the map but its airbase isn't modeled. Is there any chance of getting this in an update to the Caucasus? It uses the same Soviet VVS architecture as the others, and would basically be the only accurate Georgian airbase on the map considering that:

 

Batumi: Entirely civil, no military facilities

Gudauta: Russian military base

Kobuleti: Abandoned since at least the 90s

Kutaisi: Formerly military (restored after 2008 bombings), but increasing civil use

Senaki: Entirely taken over by the Army, no aviation assets, never restored after 2008 bombings

Sukhumi-Babushara: Abkhazian military base

Tblisi-Lochini: Mostly civil, but hosts Georgian rotary wing assets

Tblisi-Soganlug: Abandoned since at least the 90s

Tblisi-Vaziani: Entirely taken over by the Army, no aviation assets

[apolloace]

These are recent Google Earth images of Marneuli AB, Georgia.

 

Looks like nothing much going on, except for a few Su25 & Choppers.

 

Zaku, where are you getting the information from? Can you please elaborate? :)

Edited February 1, 2016 by apolloace

[spiddx]

Well does the Georgian AF have anything except these few Su-25s and maybe a few trainers?

Edited February 1, 2016 by spiddx

[Zaku]

These are recent Google Earth images of Marneuli AB, Georgia.

 

Looks like nothing much going on, except for a few Su25 & Choppers.

 

Zaku, where are you getting the information from? Can you please elaborate? :)

 

I know it's not a lot, but the Frogfoots disappeared from Kutaisi at the same time they started showing up at Marneuli ~6 years ago (Frogfoots appear at both bases in 2009 and afterwards only Marneuli). You have to keep in mind that Georgia's fixed wing combat assets are only:

 

L-39 x 4

Borts 71 through 74

 

Su-25 x 4

Borts 03, 07, 16, 17

 

Su-25KM x 3

Borts 18, 22, 23

 

Su-25UB x 2

Borts 20, 21

 

And that's compiled without losses in the 2008 war because details have been hard to come by. So with 7 Frogfoots on the apron there, that's either their entire inventory or 7/9 depending on how many were lost. I've been consulting a lot of sources including ACIG, Flight Global, and Google Earth for Georgian stuff. I can very confidently say that in the event of NATO intervention, Lochini, Kutaisi, and Marneuli are the only airbases capable of hosting any foreign fighters. I've also seen a lot of references to an Alekseevka AB near Tblisi, but as far as I can tell that might be the Georgian military's current name for Marneuli.

[Pikey]

Marneuli was good enough to be bombed in 2008 my understanding was this was where the Frogfoots were.

 

I'm sure they had/have drones somewhere. The Georgian map is way off being anywhere close to accurate, Russian one is not much betterm, go find Novorossisk.

[Zaku]

Oh I know about Novorossisk, but at least that's far removed from the action unless we ever get Crimea back.

Edited February 1, 2016 by Zaku

[ellutscho]

Hopefully this airbase marneuli will be on the new map coming late 2016. Something i missed very often.

[Gierasimov]

I don't recall any single update that would suggest Caucasus map will be updated o the region's current state.

[ellutscho]

I don't recall any single update that would suggest Caucasus map will be updated o the region's current state.

 

I know but this AB is still missing pretty much on the map imo.

[Gierasimov]

True and valid

[lmp]

While not so crucial for gameplay purposes alone (edge of the map, close to Tbilisi with its three existing airfields) it's absolutely key for historically accurate scenarios. Georgia is the focus of the map and its main military airbase is missing...

[VFA15-Juliet]

I have found this report...

 

I know it's not a lot, but the Frogfoots disappeared from Kutaisi at the same time they started showing up at Marneuli ~6 years ago (Frogfoots appear at both bases in 2009 and afterwards only Marneuli). You have to keep in mind that Georgia's fixed wing combat assets are only:

 

L-39 x 4

Borts 71 through 74

 

Su-25 x 4

Borts 03, 07, 16, 17

 

Su-25KM x 3

Borts 18, 22, 23

 

Su-25UB x 2

Borts 20, 21

 

And that's compiled without losses in the 2008 war because details have been hard to come by. So with 7 Frogfoots on the apron there, that's either their entire inventory or 7/9 depending on how many were lost. I've been consulting a lot of sources including ACIG, Flight Global, and Google Earth for Georgian stuff. I can very confidently say that in the event of NATO intervention, Lochini, Kutaisi, and Marneuli are the only airbases capable of hosting any foreign fighters. I've also seen a lot of references to an Alekseevka AB near Tblisi, but as far as I can tell that might be the Georgian military's current name for Marneuli.

 

 

And thought of sharing:

 

https://d3fod5fkpt74ph.cloudfront.net/f5975bad82fe4e9e8d7f2e21e2e6f39e/3395ff5ac4d54a05bf6baa0c63895356.pdf

 

Also, I think it was decided back in 2012 that Georgian Air Force will be revamped totally with US / French aircraft...

[Stratos]

Agree, the more improvements to the Caucasus the better, I will aslo love to see a bit of Ukraine, with at least air base cause I have no idea of where to place those cool cammoed Flankers right now.

[Plagi_Arism]

https://d3fod5fkpt74ph.cloudfront.net/f5975bad82fe4e9e8d7f2e21e2e6f39e/3395ff5ac4d54a05bf6baa0c63895356.pdf

 

Unfortunately that PDF is imperfect and amateurish.

Lots of deficient information.

Country names what starts with "H" is completely missing. Such as Honduras, Hong Kong, Hungary.

India, Indonesia and the beggining of Iran too. (Maybe it's missing a full page)

 

Bahhh :doh:

Edited October 20, 2016 by Plagi_Arism

[Pocket Sized]

Before anyone gets their hopes up, let it be known there are exactly zero plans to expand the size of the Black Sea map.

 

Yes it will get a graphical overhaul in 2.5. But the devs explicitly stated it's not going to be expanded in size. I'd be willing to bet that includes the introduction of more airfields.

[Gierasimov]

fair enough...

 

Unfortunately that PDF is imperfect and amateurish.

Lots of deficient information.

Country names what starts with "H" is completely missing. Such as Honduras, Hong Kong, Hungary.

India, Indonesia and the beggining of Iran too. (Maybe it's missing a full page)

 

Bahhh :doh:

 

...so you did notice, I did as well, however for this subject (Georgia Air Force aircraft) its sufficient.

 

Do you have better source for this particular subject?

[ellutscho]

Anyway it would be very nice to have marneuli ab someday to rebuild historical scenarios as mentioned above.

[thedisturbingspaniard]

Definitely missing Marneuli AB. We have a major Digital (Flight) Combat Simulator map called "Georgia" ---and the main (and almost only) Georgian air force base is simply not there. Great.

Edited April 6, 2023 by thedisturbingspaniard

[bies]

On 2/1/2016 at 5:25 AM, Zaku said:

It uses the same Soviet VVS architecture as the others, and would basically be the only accurate Georgian airbase on the map considering that:

Good proposal to have Marneuli AB modeled, but when it comes to "the only accurate Georgian airbase" man needs to remember the Caucasus Map doesn't model today's timeframe. It is roughly 1990s map which is to model the region accurately as it was during ~1990s when Kobuleti, Kutaisi, Senaki, Tblisi-Soganlug and other airfields were still used by air force. Just like Normandy models 1940s.

Edited April 7, 2023 by bies