m2000 missiles vs others

[EliteKatze]

So how do the matra super 530 and r550 magic compare to the AIM120C and R27ER or R73 and AIM9M? I noticed that the m2000 can barely do A-G, since it needs JTAC or other aircraft lasing and it can barely do A-A with just four A-A missiles? My assumption is, that the Matra Super 530D must have a much higher range than aim120c to justify the few missiles (stations).

 

So how do they actually compare ingame?

 

thanks in advance,

EliteKatze

[ricktoberfest]

The m-2000 is more straight fighter than interceptor and so missile range is less than f15. From a quick web search it looks like the super530 has a range around 40km (medium range) and the r550 is comparable to sidewinder (depending on which version). There is no need to balance range with number of missile stations- the aircraft is designed for dogfighting at medium to close range

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[razo+r]

Well, Air-Superiority fighter compared to a dogfighter, now it should be self explaining somehow

 

Of course modern mirage may can hold up, but not this version

[Zeus67]

The Super 530, like the AIM-7 Sparrow, from which it was based, is mainly a bomber interceptor missile. Against highly maneuverable targets the launch range tends to be lower than against non maneuvering ones. The Mirage 2000C was France's premier air interceptor and its main mission was to shoot down Soviet bombers flying into France. A mission not much different than the F-102, Mig-25 and Mig-31, one of the reasons why it has GCI and radar ranges up to 320 nmiles, although the RDI cannot detect contacts beyond 80 nmiles.

[mattebubben]

So how do the matra super 530 and r550 magic compare to the AIM120C and R27ER or R73 and AIM9M? I noticed that the m2000 can barely do A-G, since it needs JTAC or other aircraft lasing and it can barely do A-A with just four A-A missiles? My assumption is, that the Matra Super 530D must have a much higher range than aim120c to justify the few missiles (stations).

 

So how do they actually compare ingame?

 

thanks in advance,

EliteKatze

 

The Super 530D is comparable to the Aim-7M.

 

and the Magic II is comparable to the Aim-9 but sacrificing some range for maneuverability.

 

The Mirage 2000C RDI is a 1980s Mirage variant.

 

So it has 1980s weapons and should be compared with other 1980s Aircraft / Weapons.

 

Ofc it will come out lacking if you compare the Mirage 2000C RDI and its weapons compared to more modern aircraft / weapons.

 

But that would be true for all aircraft.

 

If you compare a early 1980s F-16 for example with a 1990s Mirage 2000-5 the F-16 would be completely outmatched with the Mirage 2000-5 having Active Radar guided missiles while the F-16 would be limited to Aim-9s.

Edited March 23, 2016 by mattebubben

[jojo]

The requirement was to be able to take off quickly (QRA) to intercept high and fast targets, and at the same time, to be able to hold its own in dogfight.

 

The view of the time in France was that quick direction changing was more important than sustained turn rate.

 

So the relaxed stability allowed to produce a lighter fighter, to reduce wing loading, improving climb rate.

Finally, combined with delta wing it gives very good instant turn rate.

The Mirage is especially good above FL200.

 

So the point is not to debate if it's the best solution, but Mirage 2000 C fulfill its requirements.

 

The Magic 2 was roughly equivalent to AIM-9L/M.

 

Super 530D is usually described as equivalent to AIM-7M.

It has lower max range, but I think it has higher top speed and average speed within its range.

High and supersonic launch conditions should give around 22 Nm ballistic range (for 27 Nm shooting range)

More typical range (M0.9 FL220) should be around 20 Nm shooting range, and 10Nm in low altitude.

All ranges for head on target.

 

To be effective you need to be very aggressive and fight as a team.

The goal is to degrade enemy situational awareness.

This is true for every Fox 1 fighter and not Mirage's specific.

 

Mirage pilot can rely on efficient and integrated ECM to survive.

 

Of course the weapon system is still WIP.

Edited March 23, 2016 by jojo

[Sryan]

The weapon France would develop to compete with the AIM-120 is the MICA-EM. Like others have stated the weapons the Mirage currently has compare better to sidewinders and sparrows.

 

It's important to realise that DCS is based on realism, and not on videogame balance. There is no logic that the missiles carried on a Mirage are better or have more range than others purely because it has less stores than an F-15 or Su-27/33.

[Zaz0]

At my squad, we're actually flying sorties against enemies loaded with AIM-9, AIM-7, R-13, R-60, T-73 and R-27 (only R or T variants, ER or ET are not allowed), and results are similar for both sides.

[EliteKatze]

The Super 530D is comparable to the Aim-7M.

 

and the Magic II is comparable to the Aim-9 but sacrificing some range for maneuverability.

 

The Mirage 2000C RDI is a 1980s Mirage variant.

 

So it has 1980s weapons and should be compared with other 1980s Aircraft / Weapons.

 

Ofc it will come out lacking if you compare the Mirage 2000C RDI and its weapons compared to more modern aircraft / weapons.

 

But that would be true for all aircraft.

 

If you compare a early 1980s F-16 for example with a 1990s Mirage 2000-5 the F-16 would be completely outmatched with the Mirage 2000-5 having Active Radar guided missiles while the F-16 would be limited to Aim-9s.

 

but why would they purposely add an outdated aircraft, when there is literally the same aircraft with better of everything that doesnt look nay different, that will just keep people from buying it , but what I dont get is, that it can use GBU38 with JTAC lasing, while those laser or GPS guided ammunition didnt exists before the 90s

[EliteKatze]

i have another question, how much does the DCS mirage cost when i wanna buy it with paypal Euros?

[SkateZilla]

but why would they purposely add an outdated aircraft, when there is literally the same aircraft with better of everything that doesnt look nay different,

 

Public Data Available, Newer Variants Still have Classified Components.

 

New GBU, Old GBU, they all still follow a Laser, You can load a 2005 GBU on the Mirage and Drop it, because it still operates on the same principle of being guided by a laser.

[EliteKatze]

Public Data Available, Newer Variants Still have Classified Components.

 

New GBU, Old GBU, they all still follow a Laser, You can load a 2005 GBU on the Mirage and Drop it, because it still operates on the same principle of being guided by a laser.

 

but why cant they just add the basic functions that the new one has, GPS navigation, Litening pod for doing CCRP, using newer and better missiles, etc.? No one said that it has to be a 1:1 ingame replica, i mean the BF109 and fw190 also cant use rockets ingame, even though they could use them in real life

[Einherjer]

but why would they purposely add an outdated aircraft, when there is literally the same aircraft with better of everything that doesnt look nay different, that will just keep people from buying it , but what I dont get is, that it can use GBU38 with JTAC lasing, while those laser or GPS guided ammunition didnt exists before the 90s

 

 

It can't use jdam... It can drop gbu 12 paveway II which are quite old. First use in 1976.

 

 

And why sell an outdated aircraft? Because they can! Look at the Sabre or the bf109...

 

This is a simulator not war thunder - less PVP bashing, more real combat.

[SkateZilla]

Accuracy

 

I Suppose you want AIM-120C's on the F-16A Block 10s too?

 

Just because a Newer Version/Block has something doesn't mean the developer should add it to the older block they are modeling. It's Unrealistic and InAccurate.

[derfritz]

i have another question, how much does the DCS mirage cost when i wanna buy it with paypal Euros?

55,99€

 

Gesendet von meinem E6653 mit Tapatalk

[mattebubben]

but why would they purposely add an outdated aircraft, when there is literally the same aircraft with better of everything that doesnt look nay different, that will just keep people from buying it , but what I dont get is, that it can use GBU38 with JTAC lasing, while those laser or GPS guided ammunition didnt exists before the 90s

 

First about the Guided Weapons.

 

The Paveway Series of GBUs that the Mirage 2000 Module uses are 1970s/1980s munitions...

 

And the later mirage 2000 Variants like a Mirage 2000-5 is more classified.

 

And its alot harder and you need more information to make a Fully modeled aircraft like this Mirage 2000 is then they needed for the Simplified FC 3 aircraft.

 

The Mirage 2000C is a very good aircraft for what it was intended to do and for what the french air force needed it for at the time.

 

They did not Purposely make an outdated aircraft... they made the Aircraft they wanted to make and very likely the most capable variant they were allowed to make in full fidelity (while still keeping to reality)

[Azrayen]

No one said that it has to be a 1:1 ingame replica

Oh yes, one did. :) And he was no alone around here. :D

That's the goal of simulation. It's never attained, of course, but the closer the better. ;)

[jojo]

but why would they purposely add an outdated aircraft, when there is literally the same aircraft with better of everything that doesnt look nay different, that will just keep people from buying it , but what I dont get is, that it can use GBU38 with JTAC lasing, while those laser or GPS guided ammunition didnt exists before the 90s

 

1- No GBU-38 on Mirage 2000 C, you have GBU-12 because it's dropped very much like dumb bombs.

2- Mirage 2000 C fit very well in DCS World, most aircraft are Cold War warriors.

3- To make an aircraft you need data. It's easier to gather data about almost outdated aircraft than one which is still top of the line. This is why you have Ka-50 rather than Ka-52 or Mi-28N, Su 27 instead of Su 30SM, simplified F-15 rather than F-22...