BigDuke6ixx Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 For a first step, I would start with VR in 1.5. Don't waste your time on DCS 2.1 if you have VR. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=189375 I'm getting great performance in 2.1 so I don't know what you're doing wrong. I get only a little side view stutter when flying over the Las Vagas strip at low level. And that's with a 980ti.
some1 Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Define: "great perfomance". What settings, what FPS? With low enough settings and no action in the air, as long as you maintain 45 fps it will be mostly smooth. Doesn't change the fact, that compared to 2D or 1.5x, FPS in VR is very low and there's no headroom for flying anything more complex. Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil WarBRD, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro
BigDuke6ixx Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Define: "great perfomance". What settings, what FPS? With low enough settings and no action in the air, as long as you maintain 45 fps it will be mostly smooth. Doesn't change the fact, that compared to 2D or 1.5x, FPS in VR is very low and there's no headroom for flying anything more complex. I'm only flying the A10C, setting are the VR default with a bit of tweaking. To say 2.1 is unplayable and not even with trying is completely misleading.
some1 Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) I'm not saying it's unplayable, I'm saying it has half of the FPS you get in 1.5 at comparable settings. Have you even bothered to check my thread? Have you compared your FPS to 1.5? I'm not the only one who noticed significantly lower FPS in VR in 2.1. Edited July 11, 2017 by some1 Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil WarBRD, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro
BigDuke6ixx Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 I'm not saying it's unplayable, I'm saying it has half of the FPS you get in 1.5 at comparable settings. Have you even bothered to check my thread? Have you compared your FPS to 1.5? I'm not the only one who noticed significantly lower FPS in VR in 2.1. Yes. Another obvious conclusion is that VR performance in 2.1 is terrible. Rubbish. Don't waste your time on DCS 2.1 if you have VR. Rubbish.
VampireNZ Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 There's no way I could achieve those FPS, with those detail settings and 1.8 SS. And I have a newer processor and the same graphics card. How's that possible? Just turn everything off or to its lowest setting...and ur gtg in DCS with VR. :thumbup: It is so retro gaming with Vr these days - like gaming back in the 90's with ur potato-PC lol. "Oh..oh..yuss I can almost manage 60fps at min settings!" :lol: Vampire
some1 Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) Yes. Rubbish. Rubbish. Please, prove me wrong. You have all the test tools I used. Simply compare A10 performance in 2D and VR in 1.5 and 2.1. Edited July 11, 2017 by some1 Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil WarBRD, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro
BigDuke6ixx Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Please, prove me wrong. You have all the test tools I used. Simply compare A10 performance in 2D and VR in 1.5 and 2.1. I don't fixate on measurement like you seem to. I just take off in 2.1 in VR and it looks and feels right. It's playable and I'm not wasting my time.
BigDuke6ixx Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 I've just upgraded my 980 ti to a 1080 ti. Before that I recorded two tracks - one in DCS 1.5 over Batumi and one in DCS 2.0 over Las Vegas (latest versions) so that I could make a good comparison. Bottom line is that performance improvement in DCS 1.5 is rather small but I get nearly twice the FPS in DCS 2.0, i.e. going from 45 to 90 most of the time. I made a quick video so that you can better see what is actually compared :) System specs, settings etc. are at the end. Pixel density was set to 1.8. Great comparison. I think that proves that even with a 980ti, 2.1 in VR is totally playable.
Quadg Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 2.1 is in alpha and needs to stay in the oven till its done. because it is clearly undercooked when it comes to VR.. and as a watched pot never boils. im off flying 1.5 in VR, instead of staring at the oven. My Rig: AM5 7950X, 32GB DDR5 6000, M2 SSD, EVGA 1080 Superclocked, Warthog Throttle and Stick, MFG Crosswinds, Oculus Rift.
some1 Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) Great comparison. I think that proves that even with a 980ti, 2.1 in VR is totally playable. Lol, please, it's from 2.0 before the big PBR update. Your quote only proves that this discussion is pointless. Go enjoy your 2.1 alpha. Edited July 11, 2017 by some1 Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil WarBRD, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro
BigDuke6ixx Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Lol, please, it's from 2.0 before the big PBR update. Your quote only proves that this discussion is pointless. Go enjoy your 2.1 alpha. I will, it's working fine for me. Sorry your system can't handle it or is so poorly configured it can't handle it. Maybe instead of making absolutist statements, you should sort your PC out?
some1 Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Well, unlike you I have something to back up my statements. Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil WarBRD, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro
BigDuke6ixx Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Well, unlike you I have something to back up my statements. All your data proves is that your A10c test averaged 45fps which is perfectly playable.
some1 Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 45 FPS, which is a bare minimum for ATW/ASW algorithms to work, when sitting in the middle of the desert doing nothing. Perfectly playable indeed. The 2D performance is equal with those settings between DCS versions, yet 1.5 gives 50% more FPS in VR. Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil WarBRD, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro
BigDuke6ixx Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) 45 FPS, which is a bare minimum for ATW/ASW algorithms to work, when sitting in the middle of the desert doing nothing. Perfectly playable indeed. The 2D performance is equal with those settings between DCS versions, yet 1.5 gives 50% more FPS in VR. I just did the Nevada weapons practice quick mission and all was fine. No stutters or anything, in fact I'd say it was as smooth as glass. Have you got a mission that destroys 2.1 in VR? Edited July 11, 2017 by BigDuke6ixx
some1 Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) An empty practice mission with clear sky in the middle of the desert is the least taxing benchmark you can imagine. That's what I wrote on the beginning. Define: "great perfomance". What settings, what FPS? With low enough settings and no action in the air, as long as you maintain 45 fps it will be mostly smooth. Doesn't change the fact, that compared to 2D or 1.5x, FPS in VR is very low and there's no headroom for flying anything more complex. Try to fly a fast mission in bad weather. Edited July 11, 2017 by some1 Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil WarBRD, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro
BigDuke6ixx Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) An empty practice mission with clear sky in the middle of the desert is the least taxing benchmark you can imagine. That's what I wrote on the beginning. Try to fly a fast mission in bad weather. That's how you do all your benchmarking in DCS is it? I also did the CAS mission, which would be a typical job for a pair of A10s to be tasked, that was smooth as glass too. Edited July 11, 2017 by BigDuke6ixx
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 that was smooth as glass too. All VR users in our squadron (including myself) agree that 2.1 is unplayable in VR at the moment. Spoiler Ryzen 7 9800X3D | 96GB G.Skill Ripjaws M5 Neo DDR5-6000 | Asus ProArt RTX 4080 Super | ASUS ROG Strix X870E-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 990Pro 4TB NMVe | VR: Varjo Aero VPC MT-50CM2 grip on VPForce Rhino with Z-curve extension | VPC CM3 throttle | VPC CP2 + 3 | FSSB R3L | VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip | Everything mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | VPC R1-Falcon pedals with damper | Pro Flight Trainer Puma OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS graphics settings Win11 Pro 24H2 - VBS/HAGS/Game Mode ON
BigDuke6ixx Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 All VR users in our squadron (including myself) agree that 2.1 is unplayable in VR at the moment. Works fine here in single player.
Verde Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 I can agree not playabla at all, yes casual fly in single game ok, but even normandy P-51 quick start dogfight is a jidder even with 7700k @5.1ghz and 1080ti and not the best VR settings.
hansangb Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 I'll give the instant mission/dogfight a shot and report back. I flew the latest OpenBeta and it seemed very smooth for me. But didn't get a chance to fly the 2.x. Also, there was a small update beyond what's posted for 1.5x Openbeta. Did anyone else see that? hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1
hannibal Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 All VR users in our squadron (including myself) agree that 2.1 is unplayable in VR at the moment. What is the VR squadron you are with? find me on steam! username: Hannibal_A101A http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969447179
Baggy MacDouche Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 Just tried out the new Normandy map with a Mustang. Settings were default VR preset and 1.2 PD. No SS with SteamVR/Vive. Massive stuttering/freezing, totally unplayable. Not a scientific test, but with pretty base settings on a recently built rig(check specs in sig), I'd expect decent performance. I'm usually pretty forgiving when it comes to VR performance. A few dropped frames or a bit of stutter when turning head here or there isn't going to kill it for me, even though glass smooth would be the dream. Not trying to compare apples to oranges, but I recently picked up IL2-BoS and have been amazed at the performance and how much I can squeak out of it. Corsair Graphite 780T / ASUS Maximus VIII Hero / i7-6700K@4.5GHz / Corsair H110i / 32GB DDR4 PC-2666 / ASUS 1080 Strix / EVGA 850 Pro / Samsung 950 Pro M.2 SSD / Win10x64 / Samsung UN48JU7500 4k / Logitech G910/933 KB/Headphones / Razer Naga Epic Mouse / MFG Crosswinds / TM HOTAS Warthog / HTC Vive
BigDuke6ixx Posted July 14, 2017 Posted July 14, 2017 I can agree not playabla at all, yes casual fly in single game ok, but even normandy P-51 quick start dogfight is a jidder even with 7700k @5.1ghz and 1080ti and not the best VR settings. It's 'not playable at all' but it's playable in single? Thanks for that trip through your mind.
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