How come it can only carry 4 missiles?

[Knock-Knock]

First of all, Im not trying to start some desperate lobbying attempt, to turn the M2K into some missile donkey, but asking in all seriousness, cause I dont know the reason behind it. Be it technical limitation, design choice/limitation etc., so simply looking to expand my knowledge about it. What ever the planes limitations, its one of the fascinations for me.

 

With all the available pylons, what is the limitation as to what you can hang under them? And how come it cant carry 4x 530's, or 4x Magic's?

[PiedDroit]

First of all, Im not trying to start some desperate lobbying attempt, to turn the M2K into some missile donkey, but asking in all seriousness, cause I dont know the reason behind it. Be it technical limitation, design choice/limitation etc., so simply looking to expand my knowledge about it. What ever the planes limitations, its one of the fascinations for me.

 

With all the available pylons, what is the limitation as to what you can hang under them? And how come it cant carry 4x 530's, or 4x Magic's?

 

Pretty much technical and doctrine reasons.

As an interceptor it doesn't need to be a missile truck.

Mags and 530Ds are rail launched which prevent them to be used from belly pylons (gas ingestion).

Mica missiles can be launched from pylons but no Mica's on the -C.

Outer pylons can't carry 530D (too heavy).

Only Greek Mirage can carry 4 MAGs (DCS version can do it too AFAIK).

 

There are at least 2 threads on that specific topic unfortunately search is clunky on the phone so I can't link them now.

[Knock-Knock]

Mags and 530Ds are rail launched which prevent them to be used from belly pylons (gas ingestion).

 

Ah, makes sense. And the reason F-15 and F-14 can for example, is because the engine nacelle's are much wider apart?

 

Outer pylons can't carry 530D (too heavy).

 

Is that a G load restriction, cause a rocket pod is heavier than a 530, or?

 

There are at least 2 threads on that specific topic unfortunately search is clunky on the phone so I can't link them now.

 

Aight thx, Ill have a sniff around.

[Ovenmit]

You can carry 4 x magics, I do it often.

 

Unless something has changed in the patch now?

[zcrazyx]

I see pictures like this and I wish we could do this.

[Rlaxoxo]

Technically you can ....

 

http://imgur.com/a/AWcyC

[CrashO]

I see pictures like this and I wish we could do this.

Different aircraft.

Mirage 2000C entered service in 1983. Mirage 2000-5 in 1997.. :)

Mirage 2000-5 carries MICA missiles that weigh about 112kg. Super 530s weigh more than twice that.

Edited July 12, 2016 by CrashO

[txmtb]

Ah, makes sense. And the reason F-15 and F-14 can for example, is because the engine nacelle's are much wider apart?

 

Pretty sure, on the F-15 at least, it has ejectors that push the missile away from the fuselage before the rocket ignites. How long the delay is I don't really know.

[Svend_Dellepude]

Pretty sure, on the F-15 at least, it has ejectors that push the missile away from the fuselage before the rocket ignites. How long the delay is I don't really know.

 

It does indeed have ejectors for the belly stations.

 

[Knock-Knock]

Good stuff, thx guys :thumbup:

 

 

You can carry 4 x magics, I do it often.

 

Unless something has changed in the patch now?

 

Indeed it can. Just had a look in the loadout in ME. Was just the manual's Loadout configuration (p 105), says it cant - unless I read it wrong.

[CrashO]

Indeed it can. Just had a look in the loadout in ME. Was just the manual's Loadout configuration (p 105), says it cant - unless I read it wrong.

It was added a few patches ago. They must have forgotten to put it in the manual. :)

 

Version: 1.5.3 Open Beta

Date: 5/13/2016

• Added ability to load MagicII on inboard pylons
  

 

*edit*

I just remembered there was a lot of complaining and moaning from people about it. Since the (French) M2000C only supports 2 Magics. However, the Greek M2000EG does support 4 (and has different radar and some other stuff). So people started complaining about this being not "a true M2000C" and not wanting it. And others wanting a full M2000EG.

In the end. If someone wants to use 4 magics, use 4 magics. If they want a realistic M2000C loadout, use 2 Magics :)

 

So this might be why it is not in the manual. (I believe it is possible in the M2000C, just never used by anyone except Greece, which has the M2000EG)

Edited July 12, 2016 by CrashO

[sedenion]

So people started complaining about this being not "a true M2000C" and not wanting it.

 

Everybody know that when a module allow any "unrealistic" option, the module becomes little more a "game", and a "game", it's a shame, puah, argh, <vomit> :D

[Zeus67]

It was added a few patches ago. They must have forgotten to put it in the manual. :)

 

 

 

*edit*

I just remembered there was a lot of complaining and moaning from people about it. Since the (French) M2000C only supports 2 Magics. However, the Greek M2000EG does support 4 (and has different radar and some other stuff). So people started complaining about this being not "a true M2000C" and not wanting it. And others wanting a full M2000EG.

In the end. If someone wants to use 4 magics, use 4 magics. If they want a realistic M2000C loadout, use 2 Magics :)

 

So this might be why it is not in the manual. (I believe it is possible in the M2000C, just never used by anyone except Greece, which has the M2000EG)

 

The ability to carry 4 Magics has always been there. It is just that the French Air Force never felt the need to do that with the C, unlike the Greeks. It probably has to do with money. I'm sure that a Magic II is cheaper than a Super 530D and Greece wanted fighters while France required bomber interceptors.

 

In the end France decided that it wanted fighters too and upgraded the C to the 5 and added more missiles. Although this time they used MICAs.

[jojo]

Greece has a specific context, defending some island airspace Vs Turkey contest, scrambled fighters are quickly at the merge. So maybe full Magic load is more relevant to them.

 

Moreover Super 530D is a kind of mid life update to Mirage 2000 EG, it was not provided on Mirage delivery...for whatever reason.

[Manuel_108]

If you guys want to shoot 20 missiles in one go, I recommend ED's F/A-18C. Takes SPAMRAAM to a whole new level.

[PiedDroit]

If you guys want to shoot 20 missiles in one go, I recommend ED's F/A-18C. Takes SPAMRAAM to a whole new level.

Nice trolling attempt :mad: Please read the thread before posting, it ain't all in the title.

[sedenion]

Nice trolling attempt :mad: Please read the thread before posting, it ain't all in the title.

 

I though that was just some humor... but i don't understand the reference to F/A-18. The module does not exists (or in alpha test ?), he can carry only 6 AMRAM while F-15 can carry 8 AMRAM.

[jojo]

I though that was just some humor... but i don't understand the reference to F/A-18. The module does not exists (or in alpha test ?), he can carry only 6 AMRAM while F-15 can carry 8 AMRAM.

 

With twin-rails launcher it can go up to ten. For sure it will be popular in MP :megalol:

 

[TheJay15]

With that many AR missiles it isn't even fun anymore.

[Zeus67]

With twin-rails launcher it can go up to ten. For sure it will be popular in MP :megalol:

 

 

That's definetively SPAMRAAM.

[PiedDroit]

I though that was just some humor... but i don't understand the reference to F/A-18. The module does not exists (or in alpha test ?), he can carry only 6 AMRAM while F-15 can carry 8 AMRAM.

I hoped it wouldn't derail. But it dit. I guess it's inevitable, some topics are just too tempting :doh:

[Voodooflies]

With twin-rails launcher it can go up to ten. For sure it will be popular in MP :megalol:

 

 

Mother of god... :lol:

[Darkbrotherhood7]

The F-15SA can carry 18x A2A missiles, and 3x external bags! lol

[Zeus67]

Pretty soon we will reach this stage:

 

 

I've always loved the Macross VF-1S Valkyrie and always wonder how it would be to pilot one.

[mattebubben]

Pretty soon we will reach this stage:

 

 

I've always loved the Macross VF-1S Valkyrie and always wonder how it would be to pilot one.

 

Next RAZBAM Module?