sabreman Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 The new update that came out today brought with it new and improved aim-9s, the aim-9P5. Will we be able to mount it on the f-5e? I really hope so, it could use the extra bite!
razo+r Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 mounting is no problem, the correct question is: will the developers include them in the avionics
lmp Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 The new update that came out today brought with it new and improved aim-9s, the aim-9P5. Will we be able to mount it on the f-5e? I really hope so, it could use the extra bite! I'm 90% sure someone from the dev team confirmed it somewhere? Anyway, even if not, it would be a strange coincidence if they added it now and not used it on the F-5.
Schmidtfire Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) The Aim-9P5 was added for the F-5E. Also stated by Chizh on the russian forums. It would be quite strange if the avionics didn't match the missile.... Moves/looks really cool in-flight, but loves flares. Edited July 16, 2016 by Schmidtfire
mattebubben Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 The Aim-9P5 was added for the F-5E. Also stated by Chizh on the russian forums. It would be quite strange if the avionics didn't match the missile.... Moves/looks really cool in-flight, but loves flares. If it loves flares then the modeling of the missile likely is not completed yet. Since the Aim-9P5 uses the same Flare-rejecting techniques/Tech that the Aim-9M does. (The Aim-9P5 seeker is based on the Aim-9M seeker where as the Aim-9P4 had a seeker based of the Aim-9L) So the Aim-9P5 should not like flares any more then the Aim-9M does. But its most likely that it just behaves like the Aim-9P atm (as a placeholder) but with all aspect capability. Will probably (hopefully) be improved either before or soon after launch of the F-5E. Since the Aim-9P5 will be a staple weapon of the F-5E and will be its most effective missile so having it underperform will very much hamper the F-5Es abilities.
shaunwallis21 Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 myself will only fly the f5 where there are only mig 21's and no missiles newer then 1970
mattebubben Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 Well the Mig-21 has some advanced missiles. The R-60M for example is a 1980s missile (entering service around 82-83) So its of the same age as the Aim-9M or Aim-9P5. So on any server where the Mig gets the R-60M the F-5E should get the Aim-9P5. And that is also why we need it (and the rear aspect Aim-9P) to be properly modeled and performing correctly.
Schmidtfire Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 If it loves flares then the modeling of the missile likely is not completed yet. Since the Aim-9P5 uses the same Flare-rejecting techniques/Tech that the Aim-9M does. (The Aim-9P5 seeker is based on the Aim-9M seeker where as the Aim-9P4 had a seeker based of the Aim-9L) So the Aim-9P5 should not like flares any more then the Aim-9M does. But its most likely that it just behaves like the Aim-9P atm (as a placeholder) but with all aspect capability. Will probably (hopefully) be improved either before or soon after launch of the F-5E. Since the Aim-9P5 will be a staple weapon of the F-5E and will be its most effective missile so having it underperform will very much hamper the F-5Es abilities. Well it sorts of eats flares atm, don't get your hopes up to much. I don't think that will change for a while as missile behaviour is quite a touchy subject... But it's still cool looking and better than the original AiM-9P. I haven't really flown fighters since 1.5.3, so maybe all IR missiles suffers more from flares with the new patches?
mattebubben Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 Well it sorts of eats flares atm, don't get your hopes up to much. I don't think that will change for a while as missile behaviour is quite a touchy subject... But it's still cool looking and better than the original AiM-9P. I haven't really flown fighters since 1.5.3, so maybe all IR missiles suffers more from flares with the new patches? i think so might be a general problem atm. the R-73 for example seems really flare hungry (which is again very wrong as the R-73 was also quite decent and rejecting flares).
Dino Might Posted July 20, 2016 Posted July 20, 2016 The Magics eat flares like Pacman eats white dots. I'm not sure the other IR missiles are that much better, but my suspicion is that the P5 and the Magic are the worst of the bunch.
TheJay15 Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 you guys have to remember, though, that the R-60M is not completely all aspect. It cannot shoot a target from directly head on so for a head to head engagement the 21 has to use an R-3R. I'm not sure if the P5 was completely all aspect or limited like the R-60 but when it is mounted on the F-15 it guides as quickly as any other Aim-9.
WinterH Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 P5 has same seeker as the M, so the seeker is vastly superiour to R-60M's. It has different airframe and different engine (smoky) as far as I know, it isn't quite an AIM-9L or M, but seeker performance is similar. Unlike in F-15 though, F-5's radar can't say Sidewinder seeker to "look thataway" when you lock someone with radar, so it wouldn't be exactly the same as in F-15. Although AIM-9P5 are significantly better than MiG-21's air to air missiles, they can still miss if receiving party is aware of launch, and F-5 has only two of them. So scenario is interesting enough it seems, we'll see when servers start to pop after F-5 release :). Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script
red_coreSix Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 Although AIM-9P5 are significantly better than MiG-21's air to air missiles, they can still miss if receiving party is aware of launch, and F-5 has only two of them. So scenario is interesting enough it seems, we'll see when servers start to pop after F-5 release :). I don't think so, the R-60M is (at least in-game) way better than the AIM-9P5 in terms of turning. And the 21 can carry 4 plus two R-3Rs which are some of the best tracking SARH missiles in-game.
WinterH Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 Just tested the F-5 a bit, quick and real dirty :). AIM-9P5 currently doesn't seem to be able to acquire lock from anywhere other than rear aspect, and also it barely even acquires there too, after taking it's sweeeeet time. So I guess it'll see some changes. Yes, R-60 should be the more agile missile, and probably have a better minimum range too. But the Sidewinder will have much better kinetic range, much better counter measure resistance, and much better all aspect capability. Also, unlike the R-60, Sidewinder has an actual warhead for when it scores a hit :). R-3R is nice, but requires a lock by finicky radar of our MiG, which can be denied purely by staying under it. Currently though, MiG will have advantage even with buggy R-60Ms as P5 seem to be even less of an all aspect missile from my limited testing vs AI. Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script
TheJay15 Posted July 22, 2016 Posted July 22, 2016 How is the R-60 buggy? People keep saying this but give no explaination. I did a few test flights with the Mig against an AI F-5 and the P5 seems to be easily spoofed by flares in a head on situation (which is understandable) meaning that the Mig should still hold the head on advantage provided it can obtain and maintain a lock. The R-60's small warhead is less of an issue due to the small size of the F-5. I have not yet failed to destroy a tiger in one R-60 hit. If the R-60 is fired outside of minimum range (Ive found around .2nm to be the magic number) It will usually be able to at least track to the target even in a high g turn.
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