Jester Darrak Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 (edited) I underdstand that. But this makes you able to take down an entire airfield. Add a similar skilled Mi-8 pilot and there is nothing BLUE can do to counter it. BLUE will always need numbers to take over airfield because we don't have such assets at our disposal. And to be fair, that is something that needs to be addressed. But all I hear is "Stop bitching, crying, moaning, whatever". I just don't understand that when people point on something it just gets scrubbed off with "Nah, it's supposed to be like this" or "Meh, not a factor" and "So what, you outnumber us all the time". I just don't get it that some people can't admit when something is just off. Missiles are broken, we all agree on that. Then there is the Mirage with it's constant lock what only assits the pilots SA a small amount and can take more damage at some times. But that does not affect balance in any way because the missiles are worth sh*t, the A/G pippers are not working and a damaged aircraft needs to go home anyway. So what does that left us with here? A MiG-29A and S that eat missiles for breakfast, helos that are faster, can call in bombers while taking out FARPs and airfields all alone. An EOS system that can look through clouds. All I hear is "ED problem" "Will get fixed soon" but that is just not the case. Some things are broken for ages so why keep saying "Nah, it's fine" when it is not. There were dozens of players complaining about the MiG-29 to be taken off the player pool since round 6. And still, everything one gets for constantly showing the obvious misfits is hatred, trolling and naysay. And this affects fun in the game - as much as I love Blue Flag. If Round9 has again Slammers and SEAD the bitching will start over so saying we're not ready for E vs W is also a little bit of an too easy approach. I don't want a 100% match on both sides, for gods sake, no. But issues must be addressed. And this thread clearly shows there actually ARE issues. I've been flying this since BS1, long before dcs world even existed. I purchased FC3 and a10c for the sole purpose of knowing their capabilities against the KA50. I have mastered every single system in the KA50, and spent years and years flying it. If I dont want to be found, I wont be! and that's the bottom line. Regardless of how you feel about the KA50, it requires SKILL, like most of the aircraft in DCS. Not just dumb luck. Reaper6 Edited August 8, 2016 by Jester Darrak
Pronin Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 An a10 can't land in a field at a moments notice, then take off again though. Sent while I should be working instead. KA50 can't go faster than 300-315km/h, doesn't have RWR with Chaff and Flares, doesn't have A/A armament. Pros and cons, the entire point of the east vs west match up. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
M0ltar Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 Yes I agree but is not the same as having 5 F5 drivers and then you have 15 others in F15 / M2000 because you have 25+ players. Yes that happen to Mig29 too, sometimes they just get stuck on the taxi. you are a beast... I saw you flying.. .train them :P I probably should start a clinic, shouldn't I? ;) Id love to teach it and I have actually offered it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th Aggressors TS DCSWorldEvents Twitch Splash One Gaming Splash One Gaming Discord The Merge SATAL
Beeroshima Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 Are trees collideable yet? Or can helos land in a forest and effectively turn invisible? Sent while I should be working instead.
Jester Darrak Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 Only trees in NTTR (but not all of them) have collision. There's just too many of them in Caucasus. Are trees collideable yet? Or can helos land in a forest and effectively turn invisible? Sent while I should be working instead.
Reaper6 Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 I underdstand that. But this makes you able to take down an entire airfield. Add a similar skilled Mi-8 pilot and there is nothing BLUE can do to counter it. BLUE will always need numbers to take over airfield because we don't have such assets at our disposal. And to be fair, that is something that needs to be addressed. But all I hear is "Stop bitching, crying, moaning, whatever". I just don't understand that when people point on something it just gets scrubbed off with "Nah, it's supposed to be like this" or "Meh, not a factor" and "So what, you outnumber us all the time". I just don't get it that some people can't admit when something is just off. Missiles are broken, we all agree on that. Then there is the Mirage with it's constant lock what only assits the pilots SA a small amount and can take more damage at some times. But that does not affect balance in any way because the missiles are worth sh*t, the A/G pippers are not working and a damaged aircraft needs to go home anyway. So what does that left us with here? A MiG-29A and S that eat missiles for breakfast, helos that are faster, can call in bombers while taking out FARPs and airfields all alone. An EOS system that can look through clouds. All I hear is "ED problem" "Will get fixed soon" but that is just not the case. Some things are broken for ages so why keep saying "Nah, it's fine" when it is not. There were dozens of players complaining about the MiG-29 to be taken off the player pool since round 6. And still, everything one gets for constantly showing the obvious misfits is hatred, trolling and naysay. And this affects fun in the game - as much as I love Blue Flag. If Round9 has again Slammers and SEAD the bitching will start over so saying we're not ready for E vs W is also a little bit of an too easy approach. I don't want a 100% match on both sides, for gods sake, no. But issues must be addressed. And this forum post clearly shows there actually ARE issues. You have the A10, so Im not sure what the point of this is? I can take down an airfield by myself, because Ive spent years learning how to imploy it. I don't see what advantage you mean to be honest? I get frustrated by the numbers, but to be honest skill is what wins the campaign. Nothing more nothing less. Each side has goods and bads. Learn to master your craft, that's about all I can add to this conversation. Reaper6 "De oppresso liber" NZXT Phantom Full Tower, Intel Core i7 4960X Processor(6x 3.60GHz/15MB L3Cache) 20% Overclocking, 64GB DDR3-2133 Memory, NVIDIA GeForce GTX Titan Black-6GB SLI Mode(Dual Cards), Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4 Motherboard, ViewSonic PJD5132 SVGA Multi-Region 3D Ready Portable DLP Projector, Track IR 5, Thrustmaster Warthog, Cougar MFDs.
amazingme Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 The Blue(s) are just pathetic... Specs: Asus Z97 PRO Gamer, i7 4790K@4.6GHz, 4x8GB Kingston @2400MHz 11-13-14-32, Titan X, Creative X-Fi, 128+2x250GB SSDs, VPC T50 Throttle + G940, MFG Crosswinds, TrackIR 5 w/ pro clip, JetSeat, Win10 Pro 64-bit, Oculus Rift, 27"@1920x1080 Settings:2.1.x - Textures:High Terrain:High Civ.Traffic:Off Water:High VisRan:Low Heatblur:High Shadows:High Res:1920x1080 RoC:1024 MSAA:4x AF:16x HDR:OFF DefS: ON GCI: ON DoF:Off Lens: OFF C/G:390m Trees:1500m R:max Gamma: 1.5
BSS_Sniper Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 (edited) I'm a little disappointed that the 80's scenario is just half-baked. If we put the missile performance (scratch last word, non-existant) and the obvious MiG-29S and M2K issues aside, we see that RED clearly has an advantage over BLUE. The fact that it just takes 2 choppers to take over an airfield and the chances to find those two choppers are slim to none changed the dynamic of previous rounds. In round 6 both coalitions could deploy Blacksharks, Hips, Hueys and Gazelles what made it balanced when it comes to taking over airfields and FARPs. You can't overlook the fact that during the prime time with even numbers it just turned into airquake while one attack helo and one transport helo took over FARO by FARP and airfield by airfield. To counter the firepower of one Blackshark and one Hip, BLUE would need 3 Gazelles and what, 10 Hueys? Just comparing the amount of missiles and rockets. But then there is the speed advantage both choppers have over the Gazelle and Huey and the amount of abuse it can take. Not to mention the KA-50 came into service in the early 90s and only in small numbers. I bet that every KA-50 that entered service was destroyed within the first 2 days. I know that it's hard to balance it when there are no equivalents to every airframe in DCS inventory (Apache, Blackhawk) but then there should be other ways to balance. CAP is life, but Helos win games. So yes, RED, enjoy your victory. And feel free to brag'n troll, I don't care anymore, I'll just keep air quaking. And Kudos to every BLUE chopper pilot that went to great lenghts fuel trucking, setting up assets and flying to contested airfields. You are our unsung heroes! You are either being deliberately obtuse or you really don't know what you're talking about. There is nothing that is OP about the red side. It's almost laughable that you'd say that. We have been limited to the absolute worst missiles we could possibly have. Your AIM 7 lets you launch well before we can get into range to launch anything we have. If you're having trouble taking bases/farps then its because people don't know how to use their aircraft and you're not working together. An A10 can easily take out anything in short order. The Ka50 is not some super heli and we have to get in quite close to use it. You don't have to do that with the A10. The red side generally speaking is at a disadvantage and you're lying to yourself or again, you don't know much about the air to air missiles we've been limited to. The bottom line as always, is that the Red side tends to work together as a whole while you guys seem to have a small group that coordinates and a large group of individuals that like to lone wolf. I've flown both Blue and Red and that's the most obvious thing I've seen. Edited August 8, 2016 by BSS_Sniper I9 9900k @ 5ghz water cooled, 32gb ram, GTX 2080ti, 1tb M.2, 2tb hdd, 1000 watt psu TrackIR 5, TM Warthog Stick and Throttle, CH Pedals
Jester Darrak Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 You know that the A-10s equivalent is supposed to be the frogfoot as both are attack aircraft. On the other hand you can't compare the KA-50 with the Gazelle as the first one is an attack helo while the latter is a scout helo. The only real equivalent to the Blackshark would be the AH-64. So please stop it. And FYI: the KA-50 actually has flares. KA50 can't go faster than 300-315km/h, doesn't have RWR with Chaff and Flares, doesn't have A/A armament. Pros and cons, the entire point of the east vs west match up.
Beeroshima Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 I keep hearing you guys say a single a 10 can take down an airfield. I'd love to see someone demonstrate it if this is so "easily done". I'm decent in an a10. With no enemy 29s and no enemy player cap, I might be able to do it given infinite time to peel the onion of an airbase, on a clear day, but it's raining more often than not with low cloud cover on buddyspike and failure would happen more than success. I'd love to see some of you guys claiming "A10 is the easy modez cuz the TGP is l33t" take out an airfield solo with one. Sent while I should be working instead.
BSS_Sniper Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 Well, I tried a lot of things to find Reaper6. I have him on the scope but once I come within 15NM he drops. I tried switching MPRF, HPRF, Interleaved, Boresight, Vertical Scan, AIM-9 Seeker, anticipating flight path, last known position, Mk.1 eyeball - nothing. And when chopper hides in the trees (literally!) you can't even find it if you would stand 50 meters away on the ground. I bet you wouldn't find him five out of hundred times. But as I said before, there are allmighty beings in here that don't share but brag'n troll, bring it on guys. The fact of the matter is that you shouldn't see him or any helis that are flying NOE. You're complaining about something that shouldn't even be happening, I mean you seeing them on radar when he's flying under 10m. It's something that I hope ED looks into and gets away from this arcade radar we have. I9 9900k @ 5ghz water cooled, 32gb ram, GTX 2080ti, 1tb M.2, 2tb hdd, 1000 watt psu TrackIR 5, TM Warthog Stick and Throttle, CH Pedals
BSS_Sniper Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 I keep hearing you guys say a single a 10 can take down an airfield. I'd love to see someone demonstrate it if this is so "easily done". I'm decent in an a10. With no enemy 29s and no enemy player cap, I might be able to do it given infinite time to peel the onion of an airbase, on a clear day, but it's raining more often than not with low cloud cover on buddyspike and failure would happen more than success. I'd love to see some of you guys claiming "A10 is the easy modez cuz the TGP is l33t" take out an airfield solo with one. Sent while I should be working instead. I can and have. It's easy if you've actually taken the time to learn the aircraft. I9 9900k @ 5ghz water cooled, 32gb ram, GTX 2080ti, 1tb M.2, 2tb hdd, 1000 watt psu TrackIR 5, TM Warthog Stick and Throttle, CH Pedals
Yuya6104 Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 This my only post about this issue. KA-50 = Is an attack helicopter its mission is soley sneak in undected by only weapon has by flying huging the ground like glue while makes its surprise attack towards enemy. Mi-8MT is a transport helicopter but has weapons to act as a gunship similer to the hind gunship aka transport/attack ship it does not have abilty fly low an sneaky like KA has fly high some what fast get in an out from LZ hot zones or any danger comes to the helicopter and able provide any means of support ground an air assits can provide. The SA-324L is a light helicopter its mission provide recon and fire support to enemy positions its small light agle gives its abilty sneak in low useing its surrounding like KA-50 but much harder spot it job provide escort and firesport and call in air strike towards enemy placements wheater it might be an act as a daytime scout. SA-342M is a Pure Anti-Tank light helicopter with HOT3 short range 4800m away and act as a scout also night time scout an call in strikes where ever enemy be. UH-1H well everyone know what Huey is since had so many jobs and roles since it appeared in Vietnam to today has many uses just have to explore on them what fits mission profile how use it best. Most immportant guys have fun enjoy buddy spike and time. If pushed to a conor plan figure out how get out that couner start useing brains and guts think like a solder 1st and pilot 2nd and have a good will team work and work together as a group as a unit an not go fight your own wars then you clam victory becuase all work as a team as a single unit and have good men in there lead you victory. 1
Jester Darrak Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 Well, you don't have to fight AI or player MiG-29 in your KA-50. When you are flying CAP you are the first target for them so you have to deal with them first. Then I have 8 missiles loaded. From these 8 missiles I need 6 (if we talk of a PK of 33 or 50%) to finally take down the 29. I can kill as much as 3 flankers with that missile load. I am no master in the F-15, but there are some out there that just suffer the same experience. You can hide in your little twirly wirly while the A-10 either has to run for it's life, maybe even dropping stores to survive, or has to rely on CAP while you don't. So please, stop comparing apples with pears. That leaves me with 2 missiles left You have the A10, so Im not sure what the point of this is? I can take down an airfield by myself, because Ive spent years learning how to imploy it. I don't see what advantage you mean to be honest? I get frustrated by the numbers, but to be honest skill is what wins the campaign. Nothing more nothing less. Each side has goods and bads. Learn to master your craft, that's about all I can add to this conversation. Reaper6
Beeroshima Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 (edited) I've taken the time to learn the aircraft. You're not some special a10 god talking to a scrub who uses auto start....I'm not saying I'm amazing but I know how the aircraft works with a few obscure exceptions...like I said, put your money where your mouth is. Make a friendly wager and if you succeed, I'll give you props. We'll clone krasnador center from the blueflag exercise and you can show us all how much you learned and how easy it is. You up for it? Sent while I should be working instead. Edited August 8, 2016 by Beeroshima
Frostie Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 So what does that left us with here? A MiG-29A and S that eat missiles for breakfast, helos that are faster, can call in bombers while taking out FARPs and airfields all alone. An EOS system that can look through clouds. All I hear is "ED problem" "Will get fixed soon" but that is just not the case. Some things are broken for ages so why keep saying "Nah, it's fine" when it is not. There were dozens of players complaining about the MiG-29 to be taken off the player pool since round 6. And still, everything one gets for constantly showing the obvious misfits is hatred, trolling and naysay. And this affects fun in the game - as much as I love Blue Flag. Why stop there you can draw up so many anomalies for both sides. Regarding the MiG-29 the toughness of the MiG comes mostly from side-on hits just like the Mirage but where the Mirage excels over the MiG is with head on hits, the Mirage just laughs at missiles from this aspect. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 'Red 5'. Lord Flashheart 51st PVO "Bisons" - 100 KIAP Regiment Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
Reaper6 Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 You know that the A-10s equivalent is supposed to be the frogfoot as both are attack aircraft. On the other hand you can't compare the KA-50 with the Gazelle as the first one is an attack helo while the latter is a scout helo. The only real equivalent to the Blackshark would be the AH-64. So please stop it. And FYI: the KA-50 actually has flares. TBH AH-64 doesnt even compare to the KA50. I actually hope they do implement the Apache, I would love killing it too! Reaper6 "De oppresso liber" NZXT Phantom Full Tower, Intel Core i7 4960X Processor(6x 3.60GHz/15MB L3Cache) 20% Overclocking, 64GB DDR3-2133 Memory, NVIDIA GeForce GTX Titan Black-6GB SLI Mode(Dual Cards), Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4 Motherboard, ViewSonic PJD5132 SVGA Multi-Region 3D Ready Portable DLP Projector, Track IR 5, Thrustmaster Warthog, Cougar MFDs.
31st_Ghost Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 Honestly, this is my first time flying Blue Flag. I'm having a hard time on Red basically since I have no experience in DCS, no experience in the Su27 and I admit going straight into MP and squaring off against very good MP fighter pilots is like playing Dark Souls 3 on a nightmare difficulty (if it had these options) It takes years to master a plane and fly it well. I'm loving my Su27; but I'm having serious trouble finding people with the indication of my RWR (I come from a Falcon BMS background; same RWR indicators as the F15) What I'm trying to say is; have fun playing and learning [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel i7 2600K @4.5GHz | Nvidia 970 GTX | ASUS P68Z68 | Iiyama 27" ProLite | Saitek X52 | TrackIR 5 with Pro Clip
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 Can we just go ahead and either do Korean scenario or 70s veitnam era with solely the F5 huey and -21 mi8? Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
microvax Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 KA50 can't go faster than 300-315km/h, doesn't have RWR with Chaff and Flares, doesn't have A/A armament. Pros and cons, the entire point of the east vs west match up. M9, Seriously What are you smoking. The gazelle cant go faster then 200 realistically. That means roughly that the ka50 gets anywhere 30% faster. That is substantial. If you go flat, if you go over mountains dont even ask for sunshine in the overloaded Gazelle. RWR doesnt halp you against fighters, against SAMs it would help unlessl you know every location like in blueflag. The KA50 has 128 flares, the gazelle has 32. And saying the KA50 has no A/A Armament is pretty kek on its own. Disclaimer: I am just correcting pronin, no need to jump on me for saying anything about balance. As said before, me do not care, I am kinda baffled how red could take tblisi, but I am enjoying it right now. :DD [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ?
Enduro14 Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 I keep hearing you guys say a single a 10 can take down an airfield. I'd love to see someone demonstrate it if this is so "easily done". I'm decent in an a10. With no enemy 29s and no enemy player cap, I might be able to do it given infinite time to peel the onion of an airbase, on a clear day, but it's raining more often than not with low cloud cover on buddyspike and failure would happen more than success. I'd love to see some of you guys claiming "A10 is the easy modez cuz the TGP is l33t" take out an airfield solo with one. Sent while I should be working instead. Maybe infil a jtac......? Intel 8700k @5ghz, 32gb ram, 1080ti, Rift S
Beeroshima Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 Maybe infil a jtac......? A10's don't come with Jtac. Sent while I should be working instead.
microvax Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 Why stop there you can draw up so many anomalies for both sides. Regarding the MiG-29 the toughness of the MiG comes mostly from side-on hits just like the Mirage but where the Mirage excels over the MiG is with head on hits, the Mirage just laughs at missiles from this aspect. I feel the weirdness of isntant death from rear aspect but only heavy damage from front aspect. But If you get hit up front you loose radar, RWR and around 60% engine performance straight away, so its not like you are reaaaaly combat effective. But I agree I dont get either while it takes them to the face like it does. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ?
Enduro14 Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 A10's don't come with Jtac. Sent while I should be working instead. Your Huey guy can't infil a jtac? Intel 8700k @5ghz, 32gb ram, 1080ti, Rift S
microvax Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 TBH AH-64 doesnt even compare to the KA50. I actually hope they do implement the Apache, I would love killing it too! Reaper6 Nothing really compares to the KA50. :D Waiting to duel you in a Tiger UHT as soon as that comes out. ;D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ?
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