Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 8

[BSS_Sniper]

scratch that, just got nailed by a ka50 in my only available gazelle M variant, why can't we have an L as well as an M on airfields :(

 

All the fighters are off playing cards up at batumi or something

 

the other half that were on blue are now playing on red now that blue is having a hard time.

Need some of that red spirit but honestly i'm exhausted.

 

What makes sense is that the losing team get's encouraged, MORE air defences for less cities for example.

 

Good game, well played those that were on red from the start :thumbup:

 

I'm not sure if you know, but you can't just change sides after you've chosen one. No one has changed sides.

[amazingme]

Server down..

[Yuya6104]

West vs East last stand fight

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[Etherlight]

The only one getting knocked out on his ass is the server right now. ^^

[Jester Darrak]

BLUE conspiracy... We will not let you win by knock out! ;P

[Caffeine_High]

BLUE conspiracy... We will not let you win by knock out! ;P

 

:thumbup:

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

Was that aimed at me?

 

JD

AKA_MattE

No no not at all I was just agreeing with your original statement

 

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[microvax]

Kutaisi has blue fuel bunkers for 1:25 [1hour 25 minutes] and the unit roaster says its not in our coalitions controll, nor does it repair.

 

reaaaly annoying.

[OperatorJack]

Blue are literally so buttblasted from last night that they target only Reaper, regardless of what he flies lmao

[Reaper6]

Blue are literally so buttblasted from last night that they target only Reaper, regardless of what he flies lmao

 

I got shot down in an Mi8 :(

[microvax]

I got shot down in an Mi8 :(

 

get rekt, that was very hard for our CAP ! :DD

Achievment unlocked. :D

 

 

And honestly after a full round of kutaisi not repairing its closed on restart again.

 

The memez are real. :D

[OperatorJack]

Look at all these convenient server crashes as Blue stands on the cusp of a crushing and humiliating defeat...:detective:

[microvax]

Look at all these convenient server crashes as Blue stands on the cusp of a crushing and humiliating defeat...:detective:

 

:DDDD

 

Its so kek that all of you redfor people are just normal persons on TS but are so freaking trollish on the forums. :DD

[Toxic]

Look at all these convenient server crashes as Blue stands on the cusp of a crushing and humiliating defeat...:detective:

 

Seriously dude. Blue has been in the reds position and the server crashed just as much.

[BSS_Sniper]

I have a serious question and it isn't trolling what so ever...why does it seem like blue has just quit? Once we took Tblisi and the surrounding airfields it seems like the blue side just stopped showing up. It could just be a lull but maybe someone could answer.

[M0ltar]

I have a serious question and it isn't trolling what so ever...why does it seem like blue has just quit? Once we took Tblisi and the surrounding airfields it seems like the blue side just stopped showing up. It could just be a lull but maybe someone could answer.

 

No idea. Ive wondered the same thing. I think a lot of it has to do with a lot of the blue players being new and not liking a hard fight. Just my thoughts, could be right, could be wrong.

[mia389]

No idea. Ive wondered the same thing. I think a lot of it has to do with a lot of the blue players being new and not liking a hard fight. Just my thoughts, could be right, could be wrong.

 

I don't recognize 7/8 of the blue player names. By their performance they are new to DCS.

[M0ltar]

I don't recognize 7/8 of the blue player names. By their performance they are new to DCS.

 

Im not saying that as an excuse for losing, but it does seem like whenever red pushes a lot of blue players go and hide. I think a big part of this is that blue has a ton of players that just want to fly CAS or rotor and because of this they don't want to play when red has air supremacy. On top of that when blue does has numbers the CAS is at a level that struggles to take back points.

 

Again, just my opinion - take it or leave it.

Edited August 10, 2016 by M0ltar

[Hedhunta]

Blue team has always been filled with noobs, just while it was 30vs10 players the non noobs could cover for them, in reality it was more like 10vs10 because 20 players would be off doing god knows what. Now that red was able to get even and superior numbers it's not a surprise they crushed blue quickly.

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

If there was some sort of organization with blue and it wasn't a noob fest I would be playing but the insurmountable amount of idiocy and lack of communication with new players just joining like it were the 104 has me sitting out now.

 

Honestly I like a good fight but when I've got red organized and in flights meanwhile I've got an f15 doing ground attack with a gun and another asked why he can't load aim120 and another asking which mode flood is in blah blah blah you get my drift. In an f5 v 21 or 86 v 15 I will most definitely be on Redfor.

 

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[microvax]

I have a serious question and it isn't trolling what so ever...why does it seem like blue has just quit? Once we took Tblisi and the surrounding airfields it seems like the blue side just stopped showing up. It could just be a lull but maybe someone could answer.

 

I have had my try at a lengthy post about the reasons, but Moltar pretty much nailed it imho.

 

Major problem is also zero cohesion between bluefor players, they dont know each other mostly. OFC there is the core I know since I joined in round 6. And playing with theese guys is a pleasure. But the amount of people beeing unmotivated or just not usefull or just failing if you cover them is to damn high to be effective as a team.

 

If you asked me how to increase bluefor efficiency the answer would be let the buddyspike TS chaos be buddyspike TS chaos, have a seperate TS for the coordinateable people and make that thing invite only nobody talks about the box club. The succesfull bluefor operations were result of that or roflstomp in way superior numbers this round.

 

But the seperate comms is just feeling bad and people are not going to get more experienced if they fly on their own.

 

 

On the other hand you can only be effective with an certain amount of rookies beeing part of the operation. From my experience if that percentage is exceeded, the operation is just doomed. Because important comms get drowned out by useless chatter and everything is just taking too long and is too painfull.

 

If I am killing a shilka and a strela faster in an m2kc in heavy rain with broken rocket pippers, than two a10c circling the airfield for 10 minutes, there is just something heavily broken.

 

 

Flying with the RVE guys, and tasking charcot flight has been an pleasure for me this round. There have been other very fun experiences with some pilots I had. But the normal buddyspike teamspeak bluefor chaos just really killed lots of the fun I had in 6 and 7.

 

GR-Tiger is missing big time. imho. He had the energy and authority to glue the randomized blue team together to something that was working. Maybee not excellent but it was fun.

 

Thats missing in round 8 for me harcore level on bluefor. As said I can solve that for myself by just switching off 264 not listenting to ts just go somwehre with people you know will not fail that horribly but that is something my idealism doesnt really allow me to do... On the other hand the realistic view would be its needed to be effective...

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

It's really at the popularity level where some level of skill/team communication is needed because the amount of randoms coming in and mucking about for no reason is what kills bluefor in the end. New measures to prevent this is needed wither that be a registered person with a registered squadron join only so as the individual squadrons can determine the players effectiveness or some sort of simple test prior to the opening of a round to confirm that the pilot is 'good' and can play as a team member. Some sort of random join prevention is needed one way or another in order to prevent these scenarios of blue noobness occurring.

 

I know this is supposed to be an open server and free for the public. But it's not fun when we who do train and have teams are brought down by random players looking for their air quake boners.

 

I hope the BS team look into this and revise the inclusion procedure to that of a more stringent one to allow those who really posses the want to play and to compete without outside interference.

 

Now the really big question here is people's communication preference. Ultimately I personally wish that it was soley an SRS based comms but there are those who do not wish to even mention it's name. I get that. But in the end its gotta be one or the other for a means off comms. Sire. You can be in TS on a flight channel but PICK ONE. Gets too confusing when some are in one and some are in another.

 

Lastly I hate to mention it but removing or banning people who do not Co here with the SOP need not be involved in the actual campaign and should be given the chance to adhere to the rules, simple as they are, or not play at all.

 

Again. I think all of these points are workable seeing as how many people are involved in BF nowadays. And how it will help with these latest issues.

 

What do you guys think?

 

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[Voodooflies]

If there was some sort of organization with blue and it wasn't a noob fest I would be playing but the insurmountable amount of idiocy and lack of communication with new players just joining like it were the 104 has me sitting out now.

 

Honestly I like a good fight but when I've got red organized and in flights meanwhile I've got an f15 doing ground attack with a gun and another asked why he can't load aim120 and another asking which mode flood is in blah blah blah you get my drift. In an f5 v 21 or 86 v 15 I will most definitely be on Redfor.

 

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We had organization at some time, but some people doesn't have enough experience with the sim yet. There are rookies everywhere, even in REDFOR but I rather be optimistic thinking that people will learn from Blue Flag experience. In first hand, recently, a lot of huge changes impacted the sim, such as SRS usage which required some familiarization for everyone. Blue Flag provides, by far, the best level of immersion and realism. As we discussed before, everyone has to be mature and responsible for this to work properly.

 

In the other hand, I do fly on DCS for years, just like some people out here, I assume it's not that easy for rookies to be involved in such a structured virtual conflict. That said, as long as you are satisfied of you and your wingmen performance there is no need to be ashamed of anything. I personnally had a really good performance on this round; this is my reward for all the training session I made by my side, countless hours learning new stuff and practicing almost everyday, here's my own victory.

 

Blue Flag isn't that chaotic, I had really good moments, especially yesterday night (UTC +1) when my flight package was GCI tasked on a CAP station and suddenly a package of F-15C (callsign: Cock 31/32) joined us up in formation for 20 min before they ended their vul time; it was such a cool moment, just like all those standard break arrivals we made. I'm confident that with some more time, knowledge & training, BLUFOR pilots will rise again and sharpen their skills to be more efficient in the next round. I do believe Blue Flag competition is the one and only event where you can truely express your talent publicly so bring it on !

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

We had organization at some time, but some people doesn't have enough experience with the sim yet. There are rookies everywhere, even in REDFOR but I rather be optimistic thinking that people will learn from Blue Flag experience. In first hand, recently, a lot of huge changes impacted the sim, such as SRS usage which required some familiarization for everyone. Blue Flag provides, by far, the best level of immersion and realism. As we discussed before, everyone has to be mature and responsible for this to work properly.

 

In the other hand, I do fly on DCS for years, just like some people out here, I assume it's not that easy for rookies to be involved in such a structured virtual conflict. That said, as long as you are satisfied of you and your wingmen performance there is no need to be ashamed of anything. I personnally had a really good performance on this round; this is my reward for all the training session I made by my side, countless hours learning new stuff and practicing almost everyday, here's my own victory.

 

Blue Flag isn't that chaotic, I had really good moments, especially yesterday night (UTC +1) when my flight package was GCI tasked on a CAP station and suddenly a package of F-15C (callsign: Cock 31/32) joined us up in formation for 20 min before they ended their vul time; it was such a cool moment, just like all those standard break arrivals we made. I'm confident that with some more time, knowledge & training, BLUFOR pilots will rise again and sharpen their skills to be more efficient in the next round. I do believe Blue Flag competition is the one and only event where you can truely express your talent publicly so bring it on !

A new rookie pilot should not in my opinion be jumping straight into an organized campaign without first learning an airframe of their choice and knowing at least a minimal amount of brevity and comm self restraint. It's very easy to learn all it takes is some practice just not practice in BF in the middle of other people's comms and flights.

 

BTW that was Coltrouge and Weld in Cock flight.

 

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[RAZBAM_ELMO]

If there's ever an issue with you not being able to learn something then maybe join a vSquadron or clan and learn in a group. Then you can fly with them in a team environment and not have to fly alone or wonder who's got your back.

 

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