Naughty_17 Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 their cap has to fly 30-45 minutes(cause whose gonna fly an F5 vs a SU27 lol)... The thing is that Su-27/MiG-29 could track you using FLIR and you will never see it's coming until the very last moment.
Reaper6 Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 I actually liked the Mirage on Blue side, it seems to run on coal with the amount of smoke it pours out. Very easily spotted! Just a side note, Germany also has a squadron of MiG-29s doesn't it? I believe they were left behind after the collapse of the USSR? Reaper6 "De oppresso liber" NZXT Phantom Full Tower, Intel Core i7 4960X Processor(6x 3.60GHz/15MB L3Cache) 20% Overclocking, 64GB DDR3-2133 Memory, NVIDIA GeForce GTX Titan Black-6GB SLI Mode(Dual Cards), Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4 Motherboard, ViewSonic PJD5132 SVGA Multi-Region 3D Ready Portable DLP Projector, Track IR 5, Thrustmaster Warthog, Cougar MFDs.
GGTharos Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Yeah, they could ... what's stopping you from picking them up on radar? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Jugdriver Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 - Mirage 2000C moved to Red side. (India joined the war :D, NATO vs RUSSIA concept remains the same except of the Mirage change.) So If I am reading this correctly the Mirage is only on the Red side? JD AKA_MattE
Jugdriver Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Yeah, they could ... what's stopping you from picking them up on radar? Nothing, but you are not going to know if it is a good guy or bad guy unless a GCI is on and can see them. JD AKA_MattE 1
Naughty_17 Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 I actually liked the Mirage on Blue side, it seems to run on coal with the amount of smoke it pours out. Very easily spotted! Not as much as any Russian aircraft ingame ;) Just a side note, Germany also has a squadron of MiG-29s doesn't it? I believe they were left behind after the collapse of the USSR? Reaper6 Yep, and they are correctly represented as MiG-29G in DCS FC3.
microvax Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) I actually liked the Mirage on Blue side, it seems to run on coal with the amount of smoke it pours out. Very easily spotted! Just a side note, Germany also has a squadron of MiG-29s doesn't it? I believe they were left behind after the collapse of the USSR? Reaper6 Germany did maintain a mig29 squadron with the planes left over in the GDR after USSR collapse, they were sold to poland in 2003 for 1 euro per plane iirc. And IASGATG, in 13 out of 14 times i got hit in my mirage in blueflag the only thing left to do was eject. One time I "only" took heavy damage and was barely able to make it home. I really think the days of utterly broken mirage dm are over. Mig29 though is still tanky. xD Edited August 18, 2016 by microvax [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ?
Naughty_17 Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Yeah, they could ... what's stopping you from picking them up on radar? Mountains ;) I remember my straggle in Round 6 against 120Cs. The only way to fight F-15 without suicide was hiding at a very low altitude deep in the mountains and then firing R_27ET in their bellies. Ofc it requires a dedicated GCI to support you, but still, it's one of the best tactics for the red side.
Reaper6 Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Germany did maintain a mig29 squadron with the planes left over in the GDR after USSR collapse, they were sold to poland in 2003 for 1 euro per plane iirc. Wow, that's a heck of a deal! I know the US Army operates its one and only Mi24 HinD 6 miles from me at Ft Polk. Not sure if they still have it flying around, but was cool to see when I was training there. Reaper6 "De oppresso liber" NZXT Phantom Full Tower, Intel Core i7 4960X Processor(6x 3.60GHz/15MB L3Cache) 20% Overclocking, 64GB DDR3-2133 Memory, NVIDIA GeForce GTX Titan Black-6GB SLI Mode(Dual Cards), Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4 Motherboard, ViewSonic PJD5132 SVGA Multi-Region 3D Ready Portable DLP Projector, Track IR 5, Thrustmaster Warthog, Cougar MFDs.
Hedhunta Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Don't forget that the su27 has to fly for the same time as well. Likely longer, because it has to watch its fuel and can't cruise over the entire map with ab unless you want to land and refuel as soon as you reach the target area. So the f5 fights mig21s just like last round. With only ir missiles I would even call that a buff to the tiger. Yeah but red now has Mig21's AND Mirages, The mig21 might be on equal terms with the F5 but the Mirage should basically always win.
microvax Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Wow, that's a heck of a deal! I know the US Army operates its one and only Mi24 HinD 6 miles from me at Ft Polk. Not sure if they still have it flying around, but was cool to see when I was training there. Reaper6 yeah, was considered a "symbolic price", germany could have had the entire GDR hind fleet [54] but it was decided to sell them very cheap as well, since they were all waiting for the eurocopter Tiger. Such a meme, since that thing didnt make it into service for the next roughly 20 years. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ?
Naughty_17 Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Yeah but red now has Mig21's AND Mirages, The mig21 might be on equal terms with the F5 but the Mirage should basically always win. I have a very brief experience flying both of them, but from what I remember MiG-21Bis could carry 8 R-60/M if they are allowed or 4 R-13M1 (~AIM-9B) while F-5E is limited to only 2 Aim-9P/P-5. Still radar on 21bis is a total nightmare and you have to be careful while flying it, and F-5E is really novice friendly airplane in terms of handling and operations.
Jester Darrak Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) Let me do the math here: Mirage: 4 SRM Mig29: 6 SRM Su-27: 6 SRM Su25: 4 SRM Mig-21: 4-8 SRM F-15C: 4 SRM A-10A: 4 SRM A-10C: 4 SRM F-5E: 2 SRM Synopsis: Worst decision ever. Best weapon to dogfight for blue is now the warthog. Great. Edited August 18, 2016 by Jester Darrak
Jugdriver Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Let me do the math here: Mirage: 4 SRM Mig29: 6 SRM Su-27: 6 SRM Su25: 4 SRM Mig-21: 4-8 SRM F-15C: 4 SRM A-10A: 4 SRM A-10C: 4 SRM F-5E: 2 SRM Synopsis: Worst decision ever. Best weapon to dogfight for blue is now the warthog. Great. I don't think it is a decision yet, just the first test for round 9. JD AKA_MattE
Jman Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) Wonder why the mirage move? The mirage kind of balanced out the plane damage model with the 29s. Red will be able to take multiple missiles while blue has a bird strike and loses hydraulics haha. Please teach me how to live after taking missiles in the m2k... :joystick: Haven't had any options beside ejecting for some time now.... even with the FBW emergency override I find it difficult to even fly. Maybe change up the Blue AI for this round considering the mirage is being changed to the red side? Worth the try I believe. Edited August 18, 2016 by Jman [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Finnsky Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Yeah but red now has Mig21's AND Mirages, The mig21 might be on equal terms with the F5 but the Mirage should basically always win. Well and in the round before it was f5 + m2k versus f21. Is that fairer? Now it is just the other way around. Btw, did the m2k not spawn further away from the targets? Meaning only f5 and f21 in forward bases?
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 I don't think it is a decision yet, just the first test for round 9. JD AKA_MattE Let's just wait to see what Rd9 actually is first. It may or may not be another Rd8 lineup or modern airframes. Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
Jester Darrak Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Maybe we should take away the R-73 from RED. That would actually be really funny!
Jugdriver Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) Well and in the round before it was f5 + m2k versus f21. Is that fairer? Now it is just the other way around. Btw, did the m2k not spawn further away from the targets? Meaning only f5 and f21 in forward bases? ??? How many times does this need to be explained, the F5 was the ONLY forward operating fighter for Blue in round 8 (or are you referring to round 7, there were no F5's in round 7?). The Mirage was at the same fields at the F15 for round 8. JD AKA_MattE Edited August 18, 2016 by Jugdriver
Finnsky Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 ??? How many times does this need to be explained, the F5 was the ONLY forward operating fighter for Blue in round 8 (or are you referring to round 7, there were no F5's in round 7?). The Mirage was at the same fields at the F15 for round 8. JD AKA_MattE Yes, that's what I thought (and wrote). I'm just answering to the guy that said f5s won't have a chance now because they have to fight m2ks and that blue now has to rely on f15s that need to travel far to get to the action. I just pointed out that the su27 has the same problem and even worse, ha to fly slow to to fuel limitations.
Jman Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Well and in the round before it was f5 + m2k versus f21. Is that fairer? Now it is just the other way around. Btw, did the m2k not spawn further away from the targets? Meaning only f5 and f21 in forward bases? The only airbases that the M2K appeared at where F15's were not available was Sochi and Gudauta. All forward bases past the border only had f5's [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Reaper6 Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Guys let's calm down a little lol. I'm sure they are still planning for the future round, and testing. All that really matters is that now I will be able to refuel when I kill everyone at a Bluefor FARP :) Reaper6 "De oppresso liber" NZXT Phantom Full Tower, Intel Core i7 4960X Processor(6x 3.60GHz/15MB L3Cache) 20% Overclocking, 64GB DDR3-2133 Memory, NVIDIA GeForce GTX Titan Black-6GB SLI Mode(Dual Cards), Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4 Motherboard, ViewSonic PJD5132 SVGA Multi-Region 3D Ready Portable DLP Projector, Track IR 5, Thrustmaster Warthog, Cougar MFDs.
*Rage* Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Have to say it's an unexpected change from BS team. Makes the front line fighters more relevant and everybody loves a good turn and burn:) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22
Frostie Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 Maybe we should take away the R-73 from RED. That would actually be really funny! How about taking away all the missiles, now that would be freaking hilarious. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 'Red 5'. Lord Flashheart 51st PVO "Bisons" - 100 KIAP Regiment Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
Reaper6 Posted August 18, 2016 Posted August 18, 2016 How about taking away all the missiles, now that would be freaking hilarious. I'm all for that suggestion, no missiles for any fixed wing planes guns only :) Reaper6 "De oppresso liber" NZXT Phantom Full Tower, Intel Core i7 4960X Processor(6x 3.60GHz/15MB L3Cache) 20% Overclocking, 64GB DDR3-2133 Memory, NVIDIA GeForce GTX Titan Black-6GB SLI Mode(Dual Cards), Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4 Motherboard, ViewSonic PJD5132 SVGA Multi-Region 3D Ready Portable DLP Projector, Track IR 5, Thrustmaster Warthog, Cougar MFDs.
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