[NO BUG] auto-looping tendency hand-off and neutral trim

IIIJG52_Otto_ · August 27, 2016

I.A.W. this post http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2878359&postcount=31

DCS Bf‐109 K‐4 Module is in release status now.

it is seem that there is no changes than previous BETA version, FM remains with the same exaggerated auto-looping tendency hand-off and NO neutral trim, that it was in 2014.

Anybody tested the last version DCS 1.5.4.55952.150 Update 4 ?

Edited August 29, 2016 by III/JG52_Otto_+
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MFG62 Joker · August 29, 2016

Let´s stop complaining about this over and over again.

You don´t like the pitch tendency?

There is the option to preset your pitch ... use it!

Ala13_ManOWar · August 30, 2016

Your video shows a PERFECT behaviour, FM has changed a lot since initial release whether you noticed or not and right now flying the 109 is a real pleasure if it weren't yet previously. Setting aside your own stubbornness, what's the problem there? Explain what hidden mystery is shown on your video please, I only see a great demonstration on how nice and detailed FM is with all those torque forces changes with speed, engine setting and so, as it should be :P.

If you look for a magic 109 where torque and external forces has no effect in aircraft behaviour you mistook your simulator choice, go look for some play station game, or even better use this one :thumbup:.

S!

Devrim · August 30, 2016

Otto. Why do you think that this plane has to fly straight with no trim and hands-off?

MAD-MM · August 30, 2016

When introduce DCS 109 found this behaviour wrong, but after some changes found this now really handy .

So far no one is coming up with a test for combat ready COG test for K4 I thrust yoyo here did overall great job.

Art-J · August 30, 2016

I don't think Otto has ever advocated "no torque and external forces" or "no trim and hands-off" flight. Never noticed that. He does have, however, this obsessive concept of neutral trim position for high speed level flight deeply engraved in his mind, but the one which he was unable to prove for the K-4. And without that I don't think we can judge or expect if any FM changes will come.

Ala13_ManOWar · August 30, 2016

I don't think Otto has ever advocated "no torque and external forces" or "no trim and hands-off" flight.

Well, kind of since we have explained him like a billion times (here and in other places, in his native language so his obvious language barrier isn't any excuse) how it works, not for 109 but on the 100% of real aircraft out there. The only explanation I can find is he thinks 109 like some sort of magical machine that needs nor is influenced by trim and torque effects at all.

S!

NineLine · August 30, 2016

I.A.W. this post http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2878359&postcount=31

DCS Bf‐109 K‐4 Module is in release status now.

it is seem that there is no changes than previous BETA version, FM remains with the same exaggerated auto-looping tendency hand-off and NO neutral trim, that it was in 2014.
Anybody tested the last version DCS 1.5.4.55952.150 Update 4 ?

As we have said, many, many, many, many,many times before to you, no change is required. The Me 109 is a high performance fighter, as such you need to treat it as such. Neutral trim is 0, this mean there is no trim applied. If you want to fly hands off (why I dont know, maybe you get an itchy butt a lot) you can trim the aircraft to fly level, I have done it many times (no my butt doesnt get itchy I just have checked this many times).

Anyways, this thread is a 1.4 at best. Lets not do this again, I think we all know how this song goes.

Just keep practicing Otto, it takes time for a pilot to become proficient with a high performance fighter, I know you will get there one day.