Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 9

[AbortedMan]

Isn't that how things always work in the world? As a minority you scream and complain about anything and everything being unfair and unequal. And when the minority becomes the majority. You tell the previous majority that now is the new minority to shut up and take it, and still complain about everything. :D

 

Heh, yeah. That's not a good look for humanity.

[AbortedMan]

The Flanker tactic to fly without dl is to fly Mirage that has always been the point.

 

Oh does the Mirage have DataLink now?

[Frostie]

Oh does the Mirage have DataLink now?

 

Sorry you're not making any sense.

 

Why continue to be tetchy on the subject, it is a testing phase and we are discovering that people will fly Flanker if it has some capability in this scenario.

Edited June 29, 2017 by Frostie

[AbortedMan]

Sorry you're not making any sense.

 

Why continue to be tetchy on the subject, it is a testing phase and we are discovering that people will fly Flanker if it has some capability in this scenario.

 

I discovered that it's insanely easy to never ever get surprised or put into an unfavorable situation while in an Su27 by zero conscious effort of my own merit with DataLink on.

 

I think it's important to realize why people were flying the Su27 and how far the pendulum has swung.

 

RWR differences keep getting mentioned...have any of you tried not having your radar on 100% of the time? If an F-15/Mirage's RWR is such an advantage why not effectively take that out of the equation as much as possible?

[LevelPulse]

When will we see round 10?

[OnlyforDCS]

Aim-9x in a 80s scenario you say?

 

This. Use some logic people. There is no way an Aim9X has anything to do with an 80s scenario. End. Of. Story.

[Frostie]

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RWR differences keep getting mentioned...have any of you tried not having your radar on 100% of the time? If an F-15/Mirage's RWR is such an advantage why not effectively take that out of the equation as much as possible?

 

So basically fly airquake style because performing an effective CAP protecting strikers, choppers and holding ground is not what BF is about.

 

And why shouldn't the Flanker have good SA that is the way it was in the 80s and how it is in DCS.

Edited June 29, 2017 by Frostie

[AbortedMan]

So basically fly airquake style because performing an effective CAP protecting strikers, choppers and holding ground is not what BF is about.

 

And why shouldn't the Flanker have good SA that is the way it was in the 80s and how it is in DCS.

 

Please elaborate on how not flying with your radar on at all times equates to airquake style or prevents you from doing any of the things you listed.

[Frostie]

Please elaborate on how not flying with your radar on at all times equates to airquake style or prevents you from doing any of the things you listed.

 

GCI requires aircraft radars to give a picture, with this picture known bandits can be read out and an effective CAP to stop these threats can be achieved. Otherwise you're flying without radar for your own ends to rack up kills and stay hidden not really helping the whole BF teamwork system.

[Tj1376]

I have the BEST solution to this problem.

 

Let's put the f15 on Redfor so red can have the same RWR as blue.

 

TJ

 

 

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[QuiGon]

I have the BEST solution to this problem.

 

Let's put the f15 on Redfor so red can have the same RWR as blue.

 

TJ

 

 

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Uhm, they alreaday have the Mirage 2000 with the same kind of RWR.

[CrashO]

I have the BEST solution to this problem.

Let's put the f15 on Redfor so red can have the same RWR as blue.

 

Just replace all jets from both teams with spitfires and be done with it :pilotfly:

[Tj1376]

I discovered that it's insanely easy to never ever get surprised or put into an unfavorable situation while in an Su27 by zero conscious effort of my own merit with DataLink on.

 

 

 

I think it's important to realize why people were flying the Su27 and how far the pendulum has swung.

 

 

 

RWR differences keep getting mentioned...have any of you tried not having your radar on 100% of the time? If an F-15/Mirage's RWR is such an advantage why not effectively take that out of the equation as much as possible?

 

 

How the hell do you recommend we fly air superiority missions with our radar off? You have to see the enemy to deter them.

 

Also,, what does having my radar on (or off) have to do with the crap RWR providing zero SA in the su27?

 

Aborted- this is pretty easy to understand man. You are purposely being a donkeys behind for what point I don't understand. Maybe had we not neutered the M2k at the same time we gave the su27 a unique feature you might have had a more challenging experience while you were in the SU.

 

But- since the M2k is still neutered it will be interesting if people go back to it now that DL is off.

 

Let's drop this argument for the time being and see if the changes to the M2k help even it out or if we do need to experiment with limiting DL.

 

TJ

 

 

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[Tj1376]

Uhm, they alreaday have the Mirage 2000 with the same kind of RWR.

 

 

Clearly you missed the sarcasm font.

 

Just replace all jets from both teams with spitfires and be done with it :pilotfly:

 

 

Thanks for getting it. :)

 

TJ

 

 

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[microvax]

waw. blue is so scared of el flanker. Its not even real.

 

Honestly what advantage does the F15 not have with the setup without datalink, which is relevant in terms of holding air superiority.

 

If lag is caused by the EWRs, well then so be it, but if it turns out lag is not related to the EWRs, would be nice if it came back.

 

 

And pls give me a break calling the M2K neutered. It can still photon torpedo any fc3 opponent at will.

[lemoen]

Just give the Flankers their DL. It really doesn't make them OP, the Mirage can literally turn around and fly away from their Fox1 missiles. Ask those guys I, uhm, deterred, last night, 4 of them in 2 sorties before I flew into a mountain trying to gun a helo.

 

If EWRs cause lag, then maybe can we try to limit them to some maximum, removing the oldest one once the limit is reached.

 

I really like Crash's idea of having the full weapons complement but in a way that requires some effort to use some of the more advanced weaponry.

[M0ltar]

Just give the Flankers their DL. It really doesn't make them OP, the Mirage can literally turn around and fly away from their Fox1 missiles. Ask those guys I, uhm, deterred, last night, 4 of them in 2 sorties before I flew into a mountain trying to gun a helo.

 

If EWRs cause lag, then maybe can we try to limit them to some maximum, removing the oldest one once the limit is reached.

 

I really like Crash's idea of having the full weapons complement but in a way that requires some effort to use some of the more advanced weaponry.

Or just put a permanent EWR down toward the north. So, when the front extends south we lose datalink due to range. It also eliminates the possibility of there being to many if that is indeed the problem so we can test with a single.

[lemoen]

Or just put a permanent EWR down toward the north. So, when the front extends south we lose datalink due to range. It also eliminates the possibility of there being to many if that is indeed the problem so we can test with a single.

 

That seems like a very decent idea and it will tell us if it is the DL itself or the number of EWRs that caused the lag. :thumbup:

[*Rage*]

Or just put a permanent EWR down toward the north. So, when the front extends south we lose datalink due to range. It also eliminates the possibility of there being to many if that is indeed the problem so we can test with a single.

 

Good idea!

[Peaches]

TO: Ciribob and Buddy Spike Team

FROM: A-10C Special Interest Group

 

 

1. Bravo Zulu. Blue Flag is the best!

2. Request reinstatement of A-10C slots on captured airfields for blue and red. Analogy is red's KA-50 strike capability, which can spawn from captured Farps as the front line advances.

 

 

Respectfully,

Peaches

[Dino Might]

Hey Peaches! Finally seeing your profile picture on here. You a submarine?

 

Also, I second A10Cs at forward bases.

[Tirak]

I think Moltar's right. The EWR systems should be mission placed, and can be repaired by bringing a specific EWR crate to them. That way managing them is still important for the Logistics teams, and BlueFor knows where they are to hit them and try and take away the DL advantage.

 

That actually gives aircraft like the Viggen a bigger role to play as they're built around high speed single target strikes.

[Peaches]

Hey Peaches! Finally seeing your profile picture on here. You a submarine?

 

Also, I second A10Cs at forward bases.

Dino, I'm waiting for the DCS: SSN 688 module.

[*Rage*]

I think Moltar's right. The EWR systems should be mission placed, and can be repaired by bringing a specific EWR crate to them. That way managing them is still important for the Logistics teams, and BlueFor knows where they are to hit them and try and take away the DL advantage.

 

That actually gives aircraft like the Viggen a bigger role to play as they're built around high speed single target strikes.

 

Even better!

[microvax]

Yeah having EWR stations to nuke would be pretty legid. INS guided bombing from 40 000ft FTW. lol