Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 9

[Ciribob]

...thx - everything is fixed (capture, GCI, views).

 

"Warping"/lagging is a big issue still.

I'll use my magic "fix lag skills "....

 

As I said - if it's bad for you wait for 2.5, it's two weeks or so :)

 

When reporting lag please give more details, is it a constant stutter for a period of time, is it intermittent, is it consistent every x minutes for example. How many people on? Near a certain kind of aircraft?

 

All of that helps.

 

Do you have low FPS generally? As much info as possible is what we need.

 

Not sure you can blame SRS for lack of coordination.... There have been huge pushes and have been co-ordinated over SRS like the large Blue push yesterday ( or day before)

 

Without a GCI it's harder to get coordination but just transmit of the GCI frequency and organise yourselves. That is literally no different from being in a shared channel in teamspeak and what it's there for. At worst you have to sit on the apron and chat for a bit, which in an A10C or mirage (if aligning) you have to do anyway :)

 

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Edited January 22, 2018 by Ciribob

[dedde01]

Do you have low FPS generally? As much info as possible is what we need.

 

Not sure you can blame SRS for lack of coordination.... There have been huge pushes and have been co-ordinated over SRS like the large Blue push yesterday ( or day before)

 

Without a GCI it's harder to get coordination but just transmit of the GCI frequency and organise yourselves. That is literally no different from being in a shared channel in teamspeak and what it's there for. At worst you have to sit on the apron and chat for a bit, which in an A10C or mirage (if aligning) you have to do anyway :)

 

Btw in the BlueFlag I get only 35-40fps when on the ground even if I have good specs...

 

I think that it's not that difficult to coordinate: we only need to reset the "HQ operation" sections in the buddyspike forum, where we can plan tactics to follow that day

[lemoen]

Btw in the BlueFlag I get only 35-40fps when on the ground even if I have good specs...

 

 

 

I think that it's not that difficult to coordinate: we only need to reset the "HQ operation" sections in the buddyspike forum, where we can plan tactics to follow that day

 

 

I get 11-22 fps, i5 7600k@4.5, 32gb ddr4, 1070 and VR. Gpu usage low.

 

 

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[dedde01]

I get 11-22 fps, i5 7600k@4.5, 32gb ddr4, 1070 and VR. Gpu usage low.

 

 

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The strange thing about this engine is that if u look down, without having the horizon line rendered, u can achieve more than 60fps, but when u begin to render the objects in front of u, fps drops, like if you are processing everything on the ground, even if it's not visible or really far away.

[Shadow KT]

lol guys, I have a GTX560Ti and play on medium-high settings at 1080p. I get from 40 to 60 fps.

[Ciribob]

Hopefully with 2.5 you should see much less stutter then.

 

If everyone or a lot of users have a low FPS, it'll cause stutter and lag as DCS is single threaded, so if you're lagging your end, you'll lag on the server too as you won't be sending updates over the net as frequently.

 

We'll find out soon :)

 

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[lemoen]

lol guys, I have a GTX560Ti and play on medium-high settings at 1080p. I get from 40 to 60 fps.

 

1.5 doesn't use much GPU because it is severely cpu-limited by DirectX calls, like i said mine runs at average 22FPS with GPU usage at 35% when I'm on Blue Flag. I can show the graphs. What CPU do you use?

[HWasp]

I think Simple Radio is the culprit here. Once you pull people out of teamspeak, and now they can only talk in the cockpit when they are alive, you loose a lot of coordination. I really wish more people would sit in teamspeak and use SR. A both at the same time thing. Not a one or the other.

 

But, I agree that downsizing the mission is needed. We need different angles to attack from. You need all the space of this mission with less objectives. Not every air base has to be a capture-able. I’d like to see more defensive units at airbases and maybe less units at farps but more deadly units. I dunno. It feels kind of easy now. Maybe I’m just too used to it.

 

TJ

 

 

 

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I have an idea:

 

Lets make an official preflight SRS freq. to report in as soon as you power up. Something like 120/250

 

This would mean only some lines added to mission briefing, freq. list.

 

People could use it to plan their mission and team up while refueling and rearming. GCI could also monitor this freq and pass some instructions, suggessions. It would look like this:

 

-XYZ F-15 at Kutaisi ready in 4 minutes request wingman for CAP over Oni farp

 

-XYZ this is ASD hello F-15 ready in 5 will report ready to taxi

 

-XYZ MAGIC head to xxx farp intead to escort strikers

 

-Rgr will head to xxx farp, airborne in 6 minutes XYZ

 

If you would recieve info that for example SEAD is needed instead of CAP you could change slot without wasting a lot of time refueling a fighter.

 

It is too late to assign roles and objectives to players when checking in on 126/264.

I am for example not willing to rtb to change ac or loadout if already airborne.

 

Airborne players could also dial in preflight freq. to pass info or request specific help at a location if GCI is not available.

[dedde01]

I have an idea:

 

Lets make an official preflight SRS freq. to report in as soon as you power up. Something like 120/250

 

This would mean only some lines added to mission briefing, freq. list.

 

People could use it to plan their mission and team up while refueling and rearming. GCI could also monitor this freq and pass some instructions, suggessions. It would look like this:

 

-XYZ F-15 at Kutaisi ready in 4 minutes request wingman for CAP over Oni farp

 

-XYZ this is ASD hello F-15 ready in 5 will report ready to taxi

 

-XYZ MAGIC head to xxx farp intead to escort strikers

 

-Rgr will head to xxx farp, airborne in 6 minutes XYZ

 

If you would recieve info that for example SEAD is needed instead of CAP you could change slot without wasting a lot of time refueling a fighter.

 

It is too late to assign roles and objectives to players when checking in on 126/264.

I am for example not willing to rtb to change ac or loadout if already airborne.

 

Airborne players could also dial in preflight freq. to pass info or request specific help at a location if GCI is not available.

If GCI is online I usually hop in a GCi slot only to ask magic which aircraft I have to choose, but this method can work only for people with CombinedArms.

You can also do the same but with a normal slot, but it would be better if there is a written plan or a briefing before the restart only to organize people.

[Shadow KT]

1.5 doesn't use much GPU because it is severely cpu-limited by DirectX calls, like i said mine runs at average 22FPS with GPU usage at 35% when I'm on Blue Flag. I can show the graphs. What CPU do you use?

 

Well, my GPU usage is at 98-99% all the time so my card is definitely working its ass off :lol:

 

I recently upgraded to a i5-3570K @4.4-4.5. (YES, upgraded, tho my old Q9550 @3.3 was holding pretty alright in DCS as well)

 

Ow, and to put some more salt on the wound. I have a "golden" chip which is OC without increase of voltage. I have less than 50% usage (around 40% I think, max)

[lemoen]

Well, my GPU usage is at 98-99% all the time so my card is definitely working its ass off :lol:

 

I recently upgraded to a i5-3570K @4.4-4.5. (YES, upgraded, tho my old Q9550 @3.3 was holding pretty alright in DCS as well)

 

Ow, and to put some more salt on the wound. I have a "golden" chip which is OC without increase of voltage. I have less than 50% usage (around 40% I think, max)

 

The CPU usage is low yes because DCS only uses 2 / 4 cores. I also have 50% usage. Are you sure you measure in Blue Flag, somewhere near the fighting, when there's a bunch of people online?

[Shadow KT]

If you are talking about FPS, 30+ with the occasional dip

[dedde01]

Well, my GPU usage is at 98-99% all the time so my card is definitely working its ass off :lol:

 

I recently upgraded to a i5-3570K @4.4-4.5. (YES, upgraded, tho my old Q9550 @3.3 was holding pretty alright in DCS as well)

 

Ow, and to put some more salt on the wound. I have a "golden" chip which is OC without increase of voltage. I have less than 50% usage (around 40% I think, max)

 

Oh c'mon it's impossible: dcs has been written so that u can't achieve more than 40 fps in such a complicated server:megalol::)

[lemoen]

If you are talking about FPS, 30+ with the occasional dip

 

My experience, and those that fly with me, is that the general performance is much worse than that in BF and in Dynamic DCS and similar servers. I see lots of people quoting high numbers, much higher than you are reporting, and some of it is hard to believe. I'll try and remember to post a screenshot of my afterburner curves next time, to illustrate.

[HWasp]

If GCI is online I usually hop in a GCi slot only to ask magic which aircraft I have to choose, but this method can work only for people with CombinedArms.

You can also do the same but with a normal slot, but it would be better if there is a written plan or a briefing before the restart only to organize people.

 

Well, there are a lot of ways to coordinate, but I think it would be better to have it standardised on a dedicated frequency until something better is implemented to DCS.

 

Also this would be at least some meaningful activity while looking at the fuel gauge turning.

[Shadow KT]

 

Do you know about this ?

[Ciribob]

Well, there are a lot of ways to coordinate, but I think it would be better to have it standardised on a dedicated frequency until something better is implemented to DCS.

 

Also this would be at least some meaningful activity while looking at the fuel gauge turning.

That's what the GCI frequency is for, just because there isn't a GCI on,that is the standard frequency for finding out what's going on. Everyone tunes to it in the hope a GCI will turn up :)

 

If you're a lone wolf, check the map to see where's under attack and just ask in chat to see who's attacking where. Map markers work well too, especially for a chopper to mark the fact they're inbound with a rough ETA.

 

You're not planning D-Day so I think the existing tools suffice as they have worked well for a while. If you want a bigger plan, done in secret, I'd join a squadron.

 

You're also free to use the BuddySpike Website & forum http://www.buddyspike.net

 

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[dedde01]

That's what the GCI frequency is for, just because there isn't a GCI on,that is the standard frequency for finding out what's going on. Everyone tunes to it in the hope a GCI will turn up :)

 

If you're a lone wolf, check the map to see where's under attack and just ask in chat to see who's attacking where. Map markers work well too, especially for a chopper to mark the fact they're inbound with a rough ETA.

 

You're not planning D-Day so I think the existing tools suffice as they have worked well for a while. If you want a bigger plan, done in secret, I'd join a squadron.

 

You're also free to use the BuddySpike Website & forum http://www.buddyspike.net

 

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@Ciribob

Are you going to reset the HQ section in the buddyspike forum to allow people again to choose their coalition?

[lemoen]

 

Do you know about this ?

 

Doesn't work for VR :(

[-Painter-]

I dont know what it is, if it is Blueflag or some DCS issue - but Blueflag has a serious problem:

- the last session already had warping planes after like 15 minutes mission time

- fighter jets stationary for 5 seconds - warping away 5 NM - stationary again and so on

- server starting to hang up - crash

That is not the only session with exactly this picture.

Sometimes it looks like OK'ish - sometimes it is like that.

I am afraid something specific is causing that picture...

[HWasp]

That's what the GCI frequency is for, just because there isn't a GCI on,that is the standard frequency for finding out what's going on. Everyone tunes to it in the hope a GCI will turn up :)

 

If you're a lone wolf, check the map to see where's under attack and just ask in chat to see who's attacking where. Map markers work well too, especially for a chopper to mark the fact they're inbound with a rough ETA.

 

You're not planning D-Day so I think the existing tools suffice as they have worked well for a while. If you want a bigger plan, done in secret, I'd join a squadron.

 

You're also free to use the BuddySpike Website & forum http://www.buddyspike.net

 

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I didn't mean to critisise BF, I think it is great the way it is right now. I've been having a lot of fun since it came back to 1.5. :)

 

I certainly wouldn't want to make complicated battle plans, my idea is only about helping people (and me) to team up.

It has happened to me only a few occasions, that I was able to form up with another random fighter but those were very the enjoyable and efficient flights.

 

It has also happened lately, when I joined blue this time when Tbilisi was under attack, that I was able rack 13 kills and 0 losses heavily outnumbered (there was great support of course, placing sams an repairing), because red players kept coming one by one. I don't want to brag about it, I'm an average fighter, but I think this indicates the problem. (I'm sure this happens on both sides time to time).

 

I think a dedicated SRS channel could help a lot to team up while on the field refueling, rearming. I would't want to disturb other freq. (Maybe if there are few ppl around)

 

I say again, I don't want to critisise the players or the server, It certainly is the best. These are just some constructive thoughts (I hope).

 

Joining a squadron would be great, but I feel I cannot commit to it enough, and maybe even less in the future. :)

[levanoga]

Systematically start removing certain scripts? Like AI fighters, EWR reports or the fuel script? I have no clue about lua scripting and how all these scripts are interconnected but the last crash and the lag before it was quite bad.

 

EDIT: 2.5 is almost out guys... Lets hope the new trees fix the problems.

[-Painter-]

I think a dedicated SRS channel could help a lot to team up while on the field refueling, rearming. I would't want to disturb other freq. (Maybe if there are few ppl around)

...use 251 when you are on the ground. That should be the freq. what the fighter next to you on the ground should listen to when on the ground. You can use 251 (or 264 when necessary) to ask him to jump on another freq. (parallel to 264) for flight-coordination and intercom for your own little formation.

[HWasp]

...use 251 when you are on the ground. That should be the freq. what the fighter next to you on the ground should listen to when on the ground. You can use 251 (or 264 when necessary) to ask him to jump on another freq. (parallel to 264) for flight-coordination and intercom for your own little formation.

 

Thanks, I will try it like this. The simple ways tend to be the better.

 

See you on the server.

[Wizard1393]

The Observer slots are the only way to do GCI/EWR right? Or are some people using other tools somehow for good GCI, like LotATC or something else? I don't really see how some people can have the GCI performance that they do, given how fiddly it is to keep clicking and dragging the ruler/distance tool to give BRA's.

 

TLDR; Am I just sucking at GCI? :)

Edited January 23, 2018 by chrisofsweden