F10 view in servers

[Guest Cali]

Pretty close so far, 12/12/1

 

I'm the lone wolf that picked maybe.

[Kula66]

Switch it on ... Until they put decent Nav in US plans as in RL.

I almost never know where I am!!!

[*Rage*]

I actually wish I could see something different in the Air-Air servers from time to time, ie night missions, limited loadout missions (SARH only) poor weather (don't winge about FPS just get the fast overcast mod or dont join the server)

 

Agreed.

 

Besides we all know Real men use SARH.

 

Support your missiles people.:)

[S77th-konkussion]

Switch it on ... Until they put decent Nav in US plans as in RL.

I almost never know where I am!!!

 

Maybe I'm online way to much- but I can look out the window and know where I'm at. I think you just learn it after a while.

[GGTharos]

Agreed.

 

Besides we all know Real men use SARH.

 

Support your missiles people.:)

 

No, actually, real men - you know, in reality - will use the most unfair setup in any way possible. Life's tough :)

 

SARH is now a poor man's missile.

[Guest Cali]

I spose someone COULD use it as a cheat...but who wants to sit there being an awacs for their side? F that I say. The only people organised enough to do that are squads, and squads are the least likely to cheat IMO. I think it's unlikely to be exploited effectively, and at the end of the day it's up to the person footing the bill for the server right?

 

I actually wish I could see something different in the Air-Air servers from time to time, ie night missions, limited loadout missions (SARH only) poor weather (don't winge about FPS just get the fast overcast mod or dont join the server). But everyone is entitled to their opinion...

 

...as invalid as they may be... :-D

 

YOU nailed it on the head Sven "it's up to the person footing the bill for the server"

 

If you aren't paying for it you have a few choices

1. fly in there anyway and take that chance (not everyone cheats)

2. Don't fly in there (and don't push your opinion on someone else)

3. Pay for your OWN server and run it HOW YOU want to

 

I chose #1, if someone is cheating so be it, you can't win them all. If someone wants to cheat that bad so they look like they are a good pilot....let them.

 

It sucks for a single player not in a squad or on comms to go against someone like the 44th or 169th who always fly with at least 1 wingman (most of the time more then 1). And who are on comms, does that single guy have a chance NO WAY IN HELL! And I have seen this over and over again, that guy getting his ass kicked all day and he still takes off again to fight them.

 

:thumbsup:

"it's up to the person footing the bill for the server" :v:

 

Thanks to all the guys who run servers, paying for them with their own money for our enjoyment. :beer:

[*Rage*]

No, actually, real men - you know, in reality - will use the most unfair setup in any way possible. Life's tough :)

 

SARH is now a poor man's missile.

 

In reality i perform surgery.

 

Online real men Support their missiles to the end:smilewink:

 

(And if you got really big balls - you wait tills its gunzo:thumbup:)

[GGTharos]

In reality i perform surgery.

 

Online real men Support their missiles to the end:smilewink:

 

(And if you got really big balls - you wait tills its gunzo:thumbup:)

 

I somehow doubt that being suicidal (even in the context of a game) equates somehow to being a 'real man' ;)

Rather, those people have no choice ;)

 

Perhaps you meant 'sportsman'. ;)

[Frostie]

I spose someone COULD use it as a cheat...but who wants to sit there being an awacs for their side? F that I say. :-D

 

I think a laptop next to cheaters desktop might be a (corrupt)idea in this situation.

[Solidburn]

Isn't there a Classify Mission option so that F10 is just a map?...That would allow in-flight reference point to say a ground target without giving away its current position (assuming it was a tank column, or transport convoy in transit). That's the only Real use I can see. Being still new to Ground Attack missions, I think having the in-mission map is useful. But if it comes at the expense of giving away undue (or more to the point unrealistically accurate information, then No it needs to be disabled.

 

I mean, isn't the whole point of flying a Sim like this to get to a level of proficiency where one has to fly the mission just like the Real pilots do? (No labels, padlocking, etc?)

[169th_Bat]

Why not just use your HSI to navigate? It's easy, just make sure to go to nav mode.

 

For example before flying in the mission measure a few distances and directions from your home base or a convenient waypoint - when you need to know where you are, go to nav mode and check your HSI after setting it to the appropriate waypoint.

 

Outstanding answer!!!!! I`ve been flying around in Lock On for years and I only know where a hand full of airfields are. Because if you use your HSI it gets you back if the waypoints are set. MAP OFF. There is a kneemap MOD that shows the areas I think its on the Iron Angels website.

[169th_Bat]

I think a laptop next to cheaters desktop might be a (corrupt)idea in this situation.

 

Hehehehe. If I had a pound for every time I`ve that over the last few days I`d have my own F15. But too true.

[EscCtrl]

Maybe - its up to the server - say you're doing free flight or some kinda fun server than it should be there - or if you're doing an easy battle or training because not all of us are pros!

 

my opinion anyway

[Kula66]

Why not just use your HSI to navigate? It's easy, just make sure to go to nav mode.

 

For example before flying in the mission measure a few distances and directions from your home base or a convenient waypoint - when you need to know where you are, go to nav mode and check your HSI after setting it to the appropriate waypoint.

 

Because in US jets this doesn't help you find the nearest friendly airfield ... you can only go back to where you took off from!

[169th_Bat]

Maybe - its up to the server - say you're doing free flight or some kinda fun server than it should be there - or if you're doing an easy battle or training because not all of us are pros!

 

my opinion anyway

 

You have a point to a degree and that is it helps the new guys and i`m all for that. But my tip for you is to download the maps and get familiar with them that way, or get familiar with them in single player mode. Because what people don`t seem to understand is that with the map view on, it can be exploited and used to cheat. This will have an even bigger effect on the new guys because someone could be using it to vector their team onto you. Now if that kept happening how would you feel? Pretty pissed off no doubt. Before you know it the new guys that started to come into Hyperlobby go and find something else to do like IL2 or something like that because they feel that all that happens is as soon as they take off they are getting hit. Trust me I`ve seen it happen and you will get very dispondent, very quickly. So to the new guys I would suggest that you think very hard before posting.

 

Learn how to use HSI its easy. You do not really need to be that familiar with the maps so long as you know how to use waypoints and the HSI.

If any of you see me on Hyperlobby give me a shout and I`ll show you. I will also show you how to IFF correctly too and many other things. But the Map view has got to go.

[GGTharos]

Because in US jets this doesn't help you find the nearest friendly airfield ... you can only go back to where you took off from!

 

 

And the problem with that is ... ?

 

Personally I don't find it particularely difficult landing back at homebase as opposed to vectoring to some other airfield, and I don't really need to do that particularely often, either.

[hitman]

Any good pilots worth their grain of salt can overcome these obstacles. With that said, my vote goes to map on just for the n00bs. In dedicated servers for the pro's to log into, f-10 should be off.

[graywo1fg]

I'd say leave it on with only you on it because hey it is a game and you can easily get it as realistic as posible with no awacs and no EWR and you have to use your cahunas and instincts to have a hunch on finding out where you are. that way i think it needs to be balanced have some stuff in there for the "experts" :smilewink: and some in there for the "Noobs" :P i have found myself wondering where the heck is my wingman and he's saing he flying right over a lake at a heading of 210 and i'm on that same heading and cant see a thing. Sure we will and have figured it out before but its so much easier to look on F10 and zoom in and say OH theres a lake he must be over there WOOT there he is to my 2 oclock. yea i have memorized all the runways and where everything is but for those who need it use it and for those who are to good for it.... well good for you. /0 see you all in the skys

 

 

Gray

[cool_t]

No MFD for map

 

We all know that specific aspects of MFD functions do not exist or are not represented in true form.

 

Map view (F10) of the "Player" should take place of what ED can not provide to us consumers who buy there game.

[Shaman]

What function are you talking about?

[GGTharos]

That would be the F-15's navigation function in the MPCD - it is very similar to what you see in the ABRIS in the BS videos.

[Weta43]

Leaving aside the possibility of cheating with all Icons off (which begs the question of does the same error occur when friendly planes &/or static target icons are showing?

 

Arguments against:

 

I have the maps and the airfields programmed on my touchscreen. No need for F10 view.

 

There is a kneemap MOD that shows the areas I think its on the Iron Angels website.

 

Definitely off. Besides you CAN see the map with everything on it prior to entering the server. It's available to you just like the briefing is. Yet another reason not to jump in without having the slightest clue what to do, and where to do it.

 

As I said before I don't uset the map, cause I have kneepad maps for both NATO and Russian jets.

 

Maybe I'm online way to much- but I can look out the window and know where I'm at. I think you just learn it after a while.

 

Which essentially come down to:

1/I've flown these maps so much I don't need one anymore - why hasn't everyone else?

2/I have a mod that means that even with F10 disabled I still have a map, so lets turn the F10 off for everyone else.

 

 

 

 

Arguments for:

 

That would be the F-15's navigation function in the MPCD - it is very similar to what you see in the ABRIS in the BS videos. (F10 in the cockpit)

 

Considering that real pilots have maps, GPS etc then for realism I would say Map view with at least your own aircraft displayed

 

Switch it on ... Until they put decent Nav in US plans as in RL.

 

When I fly IRL my map is the top sheet on my kneepad and I'm always referencing it.

 

All of which reference real life & say F10 brings things closer to reality, not further away.

[Ironhand]

Because in US jets ... you can only go back to where you took off from!

Only true in that you can't select the closest friendly or neutral airbase on your own. An "Inbound " call to the tower always gives you directions to the nearest friendly or neutral base and changes your HSI readings as well.

 

Rich

[Guest Cali]

Only true in that you can't select the closest friendly or neutral airbase on your own. An "Inbound " call to the tower always gives you directions to the nearest friendly or neutral base and changes your HSI readings as well.

 

Rich

 

NOTE: The tower doesn't know if the base is friendly or not, Yesterday he tried to vector me to a known enemy base (but I knew better). I'll check this out next time I fly and know for sure if the base is enemy. So be aware, study the map before you hit fly. The knee maps work great I use them all the time. You can also take a screenshot of the map and stick it on the second montior if you have one <---like someone suggested.

[Kula66]

Only true in that you can't select the closest friendly or neutral airbase on your own. An "Inbound " call to the tower always gives you directions to the nearest friendly or neutral base and changes your HSI readings as well.

 

Rich

 

I only found out about that the other day while on-line ... One of the 169th 'guys' pointed it out - flying LO for a years and never knew! Just goes to show, you never stop learning! So that definately helps alot!

 

Thanks,

James