What do you guys think of the new Tactical Map labels?

dooom · November 3, 2016

... as mentioned in today's weekend update?

It sounds like we will soon have the ability to "markup" the F10 map and have our notes visible to the coalition.

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I'd like to have a bit more info if possible as the impact for multiplayer could be both positive and negative.

On the positive side - I think updating intel and sharing info is great... on the downside, I worry that this will decrease the motivation to get on comms, use SADL, DataLink or even learn bullseye calls.

I wonder if the mission maker will ahve the power to turn this on/off or if we can limit the notes visibility to the client only? i.e. I like the idea of marking notes - its kind of reminiscent of using the good old grease pencil... not sure I'm on board with everyone seeing my notes though.

Tactical Markers for F10 Map:
At the request of virtual pilots, we have implemented an option to add markers to F10 map while in a mission. Using a new button on the F10 map toolbar, any player can add his or her mark to the map with a brief description. Thus, you can mark a point or target or landmark on the map, and all the players from your coalition will immediately see it. For example: you could mark targets for the next sorties on the map that could then be assigned to coalition members. Thus, online gameplay becomes much more interactive and makes it possible to develop teamwork under the conditions of rapidly changing environment.

SageOT · November 3, 2016

I think it's something that's been missing for far too long and I am super excited to see it implemented. Now I have the ability to pre brief and Mark threats prior to Flying a mission I think it's going to be awesome for online cooperative play with virtual squadrons. As for competitive multiplayer I'm sure there will be a server-side option to turn it off.

QuiGon · November 3, 2016

I think it's great for briefings before the mission starts, but during the missions there should be no such thing, where you can draw stuff on a map that everybody on your side can magically see as well. There is stuff like SADL and other DataLinks for that, which are actually part of the aircraft.

SageOT · November 3, 2016

I think it's great for briefings before the mission starts, but during the missions there should be no such thing, where you can draw stuff on a map that everybody on your side can magically see as well. There is stuff like SADL and other DataLinks for that, which are actually part of the aircraft.

Well just think of it as DCS's version of a BFT. Should really help out CA real person JTAC's as they can't send in game to the A-10's but can now mark on the map. Should be a major helper to CA folks in general.

Again, without seeing how it's implemented yet, I'm sure it will be something that's able to be shut off sever side. I just hope that even if a person shuts it off that that doesn't kill you being able to make your own marks, that are only visible to you. Also, really hope implementing this has the bit of code in it that fixes the F10 Map for us VR users in 1.5.

Now of course the annoying part in MP is going to be if this is on and the F10 map is just full of "You suck." "No -you- suck." "Random curse words." Hope there is a way for someone to delete other peoples marks.

It's going to happen, hell we constantly did it through the chat on our real BFT's. :music_whistling::D:D

BodyOrgan · November 3, 2016

I hope they implement it so that it's a list of users you select to send your doodles too, and a list of users you accept doodles from, and to have server options which prevent sending doodles to those not in own aircraft aka multi-crew, to those not in coalition aka briefing (spectators), to those not flying, this way many scenarios can be covered.

QuiGon · November 3, 2016

Well just think of it as DCS's version of a BFT. Should really help out CA real person JTAC's as they can't send in game to the A-10's but can now mark on the map. Should be a major helper to CA folks in general.

Yeah, but what about all the older aircraft like the F-5, the MiG-21, or even the WW2-aircraft. They have no such capability. For those aircraft this feature is just magic and I honestly don't want to have magic in a sim that is supposed to be realistic :(

I would prefer ED would implement a real and realistic function for the JTACs to send data to the A-10Cs and other aircraft capable of recieving such data. The marker feature is great for pre-mission briefings but not when the mission started.

Edited November 3, 2016 by QuiGon

Pronin · November 3, 2016

I think it's a good thing.

IRL you are being fed information and constantly giving it to others.

I look at this as something that would be passed if communication was realistic. Calls such as "SA-6 detected in grid blah blah" would be common.

Allows some sort of communication and teamwork in multiplayer without requiring everyone to be on same teamspeak.

HiJack · November 3, 2016

... but what about all the older aircraft like the F-5, the MiG-21, or even the WW2-aircraft. They have no such capability. For those aircraft this feature is just magic and I honestly don't want to have magic in a sim that is supposed to be realistic :(

I'm pretty sure all the pilots had a map with them on their missions that they could write on.

Nero.ger · November 3, 2016

while i am all for 'marks on my personal map' and ' Marks form the Mission developer' (<-THIS is needed) ,

i am not so keen about the 'sharing [perfect information] with others'.

Its one thing of someone tells me 'hey there is a SAM north of that village' but another if a KA-50 with its 'God-eye-ABRIS' marks said SAM so precice that you can use that Coords to drop bombs on it.

and well there will be the cursing and ' lol you ****' allready mentioned and also some false information from Spys :)

if i had a wish i would ask for an 'On the fly briefing, or messageboard',something like an info/intel you would get bevor you get airborn.

but we dont know how its implemented at the end so i am carfuly optimistic

spiddx · November 3, 2016

Hope there is a way for someone to delete other peoples marks.

Well in the picture in the newsletter you see an X in each box, so I'm pretty sure you can just click away unwanted stuff. Won't hold off some pricks spamming the whole map of course.

Einherjer · November 4, 2016

We all are mature enough to handle such feature... wrong people on wrong server shouldn't be a factor for feature implementation...

metzger · November 4, 2016

Why dont we use SRS and comunicate as we should ? Those magical maps are not realistic, it would be only if sharing is done while all participants are on the ground(e.g. simulating they are planning toghether) but not while flying.

Lack of teamwork is not due to lack of features but because of people attitude.

I m always against unrealistic features and ED better use their time to fix the map for VR before implementing such things.

Edited November 4, 2016 by metzger

Stacker · November 4, 2016

Sounds like an interesting feature (used similar in Arma), will have to wait to see how it pans out.

What would be nice is some way of annotating my kneeboard map from within the cockpit. That's a far more realistic scenario. Oh, and also the ability to delete current position points!!!! In fact, overhauling the kneeboard map would be good (interactive, scrollable, zoomable, ruler/compass tool etc..) rather than the F10 mission view page.

CallsignFrosty · November 4, 2016

while i am all for 'marks on my personal map' and ' Marks form the Mission developer' (<-THIS is needed) ,
i am not so keen about the 'sharing [perfect information] with others'.

Its one thing of someone tells me 'hey there is a SAM north of that village' but another if a KA-50 with its 'God-eye-ABRIS' marks said SAM so precice that you can use that Coords to drop bombs on it.

and well there will be the cursing and ' lol you ****' allready mentioned and also some false information from Spys :)

if i had a wish i would ask for an 'On the fly briefing, or messageboard',something like an info/intel you would get bevor you get airborn.
but we dont know how its implemented at the end so i am carfuly optimistic

Exactly my thoughts. In an ideal world we would have the arma map system and each player would only be able to write on their 'own' map. Or at least the realism settings would be able to turn the blufor markers on/off.

In order to effectively put markers on specific lat/longs or mgrs coordinates we would need a dialog box in order to enter the coordinates for the markers to be accurately placed instead of tediously moving the mouse around the f10 map.

Some marks like this would be majorly useful for the new mirage ins bombing!

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SageOT · November 4, 2016

... What would be nice is some way of annotating my kneeboard map from within the cockpit....

As a VR flyer especially... man that would be sweet. The F10 map pulls you out of the cockpit and back into the virtual hanger... Having the ability to live update your in 'pit kneeboard... :shocking: So cool.

Honestly I would first like to be able to move it down to my virtual knee and rotate it.

I bet both of these things can be done just need some smart bored guy to whip up a mod. :)

Until then, as a guy who does not play PvP I still think the F10 map annotations are going to be a great help for co-op game play.

HiJack · November 4, 2016

Updating directly on the kneeboard would be closest to the real thing. Let's hope ED develops this function to the kneeboard.

Fri13 · November 4, 2016

I think that is unrealistic to be shared to anyone in-flight unless you do it via radio (or datalink when system allows). Those notes should be ones done to kneeboard map by the pilot for own markings.

And then I totally accept sharing it once you have landed and parked aircraft (as reload/rearm) with cockpit open to simulate that you would hand over the notes to intelligence officer.

And then you are given a new map with the others markings to point when you leave.

Meaning we simulate situation where you would sit on plane and waiting to get intelligence for a mission from just arrived aircraft. And once you start moving or close cockpit you don't get any updates than via radio/datalink.

This would make CAS pilots to visit more often the airfield and learn the procedures to land, park and taxi...

And then of course I want to see in a future a radio option to receive coordinates and other data. Like to list target types and their coordinates, that you need to listen and mark yourself to your own kneeboard (not shared).

It would be like a bullseye but for coordinates or distances/degree from a closest towns/roads. I would take the distance/degree so it is more human, like "Medium range SAM, one battery, north-east from a ____________, 55 degree, 5km"

In future it would be nice to get a radio calls inbound than always call them, by receiving updated info about data you got for mission after taxiing.

And then of course I would make a such difference for too to help multiplayer helicopter pilots.

Once a pilot is shut down and has parachuted to ground, it is required to get the pilot safely to transported nearest base to get the collected data. So after crashing and burning, your intelligence is gone for your coalition.

It would make a very important difference to recon flights as you could fly and recon, mark the data and then get back to base to deliver data.

Many helicopter or a L-39/F-5/Hawk etc pilot would be happy to give a hands for such a recon missions and try to get back to base safely.

PS Ed... How about official kneeboard for Android? To see map as pages, to get startup and other checklists and have a marking capability for this? So we could fly with a tablet/phone and do the markings on it and that to be synced with the DCS? If you die, it gets cleared.....

HiJack · November 5, 2016

It sure is a interesting feature but it may need some time to mature. I agree the sharing should be done by radio and maybe have like a central board available for all JTAC's if there are more than one on each side. Still hope ED will continue to develop this great idea. And in current form it is better than nothing.

Stacker · November 5, 2016

As a VR flyer especially... man that would be sweet. The F10 map pulls you out of the cockpit and back into the virtual hanger... Having the ability to live update your in 'pit kneeboard... :shocking: So cool.

Honestly I would first like to be able to move it down to my virtual knee and rotate it.

I bet both of these things can be done just need some smart bored guy to whip up a mod. :)

Until then, as a guy who does not play PvP I still think the F10 map annotations are going to be a great help for co-op game play.

This mod from a few years ago might be something close to what you would want in VR. I don't know the state of the mod but at the end of the thread they mention CV1.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=107586

CallsignFrosty · November 13, 2016

What do you guys think of the new Tactical Map labels?

I just had a long think about when and how I would like to be able to see other players markings. Never, was the answer. If someone wants to share data they can reach me on simpleradio! Which brings me to my next point. ED SHOULD SELL CIRIBOBS SIMPLE RADIO AS AN INTEGRATED MODULE

The marks should be able to be made on the f10 and viewable on kneeboard but only for your own aircraft (in game copilot/RIO).

I'm pretty sure I would only use marks for my own flight plan (very useful in conjunction with radio nav) and for received targets from jtac and for marking an IP and ranging it.

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Edited November 13, 2016 by CallsignFrosty

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