Pimax kickstarter campaign for 8k vr hmd

[das Rindvieh]

Hello guys,

 

Pimax will start a kickstarter campaign during March or April for the 8k hmd.

 

It sounds really good, but what about the DCS support for a Pimax?

Would like to hear some seriously opinions from current Pimax users. What do you think of a 8k VR? Is it possible right now?

[Boris]

Having a 4k screen and knowing how DCS World performs on that, I doubt that it's viable, even for the most powerful systems, to maintain good fps.

Unless they come up with some kind of very drastic performance enhancing rendering system...

 

The higher resolution would be very welcome of course, but I think it will take a few more years for the hardware to get to a stage where those pixels can be pushed in DCS.

[wormeaten]

We could expect positive things with it.

 

Even Pimax 4K prove one thing with 4K display with 806PPI running only 2K (2560x1440) on 60Hz and quality of the picture is much better than on CV1.

Much sharper and crisp picture without SDE. But, ther is always but I do not recomend it buy yet because of two major reasons. There is no positional tracking and it is not fully compatible yet so hard to play DCS because of some problems which could be fixed but we don't know when. Could be tomorrow but could be in a year. There is no clear answer. it is connected with SteamVR and OpenVR so it is not depending only on Pimax.

 

My point here is about PimaX 8K. 4K display is worth it. In 8K we could expect Positional tracking and this OpenVR standards improvement so should be fully functional. They workinh on implementation of Display Port instead of HDMI so will work on 4K on 60Hz. Also have some technology which will reduce hardware requirements in half so will work as today CV1 working with 1.8 DSR/VSR technology. Check the details here about PimaX 8K and see prototype.

 

Also there is other Chinese VR named Blubur S1. It is already based on 2K 2560x1440 display on 704PPI. Which is already much advanced than CV1 but same problems with compatibility like PimaX 4K and OSVR.

Interesting thing with Blubur S1 ia that it is already connected true Display Port not HMDI like others so proving this is doable.

[bobslob]

The problem is a GTX 1080 can barely play DCS at 1920x1080 with most of the settings turned down. Upping the resolution is going to cause massive performance decreases. Video card technology needs to improve remarkably for it to be viable, and probably put it out of the reach of most people due to cost.

[lemoen]

The problem is a GTX 1080 can barely play DCS at 1920x1080 with most of the settings turned down. Upping the resolution is going to cause massive performance decreases. Video card technology needs to improve remarkably for it to be viable, and probably put it out of the reach of most people due to cost.

 

This is patently untrue. A 1080 is complete overkill at 1080p, even my 1070 only gets to about 50% usage on 1080p, unless I use some of the stupidly-inefficient DCS effects (like depth of field). My card gets to 100% usage if I supersample the game to 4k and then render it at 1080p. Run MSI afterburner yourself to see this.

 

At the moment DCS is let down by 2 major things. 1. The directx calls are eating up frametime, these are done on the CPU and there is only 1 thread running, so while the call is being made, the AI or flightmodels and the rest cannot be updated. The fix is to go to directX12 and/or vulcan that is more efficient. 2. We need multithreading so that complicated missions won't eat up the framerate like it's doing now. Not everything needs to be updated at the same time and every frame.

[Boris]

The fix is to go to directX12 and/or vulcan that is more efficient. 2. We need multithreading so that complicated missions won't eat up the framerate like it's doing now. Not everything needs to be updated at the same time and every frame.

 

How realistic is this, seeing as DCS just recently moved to a new engine where this STILL is the case?

Would not another completely new engine be required?

[Torso]

The problem is a GTX 1080 can barely play DCS at 1920x1080 with most of the settings turned down. Upping the resolution is going to cause massive performance decreases. Video card technology needs to improve remarkably for it to be viable, and probably put it out of the reach of most people due to cost.

 

 

Uhh, are you serious? I am sorry but you could not possibly be more wrong. I don't get how you could make such a blatantly inaccurate statement. We see a lot of those here but this is like next level inaccuracy.

[lemoen]

How realistic is this, seeing as DCS just recently moved to a new engine where this STILL is the case?

 

Would not another completely new engine be required?

 

 

 

I'm not saying it's going to happen soon. But this is what needs to happen.

 

 

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[metzger]

It looks very heavy and uncomfortable. Like they put 2 displays in there..

 

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[metzger]

Those unfinished rushing of "4k beadset" and now this funny looking "8k" looks more like pathetic attempts to put something on the market to earn some money before the big players release something really good.

 

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[Brewnix]

Hi all, I currently don't have HMD. But I have been intently following the VR threads I do plan to get a HMD just waiting to see how things pan out.

 

From what I have read about the Pimax 4K is it compresses the signal thru HDMI 1.4 then it upscale it at the headset side.

So since they are compressing the signal and upscaling what kind of processing power do you need for that? I don't think the processing power is the same on a upscale signal compared to a real display device that supports resolution at 4k/60hz refresh HDMI 2.0 or Displayport. Just interesting read on how it works.

http://forum.pimaxvr.com/t/the-instructions-about-resolution/551

[Wolf8312]

Uhh, are you serious? I am sorry but you could not possibly be more wrong. I don't get how you could make such a blatantly inaccurate statement. We see a lot of those here but this is like next level inaccuracy.

 

 

Jesus calm down!

[cichlidfan]

The problem is a GTX 1080 can barely play DCS at 1920x1080 with most of the settings turned down. Upping the resolution is going to cause massive performance decreases. Video card technology needs to improve remarkably for it to be viable, and probably put it out of the reach of most people due to cost.

 

Interesting. My 1080 is doing fine at 4k without setting everything to low. If your comment is based on your own system, please post your specs because something is not right.

 

As far as Pimax's kickstarter. I can't help but wonder why a company that is already producing, and selling, a product can't find anyone willing to back them without resorting to kickstarter. If their existing product were actually a good investment then they should have little trouble obtaining financing for the next generation.

Edited February 10, 2017 by cichlidfan

[SkateZilla]

is it going to be an 8K Screen with a maximum 1080p input like the PiMax 4K HMD?

[wormeaten]

is it going to be an 8K Screen with a maximum 1080p input like the PiMax 4K HMD?

 

Now maximum resolution is 1440p not 1080p and proven better picture and no SDE like on CV1 using as reference.

[SkateZilla]

the Chip they are using is max 1080p, i dont care what they say it's been bumped to, the HDMI chip itself is only 1080p to the screens.

[metzger]

Can someone who actually tried it confirm if tthere is less sde and it is not with the cost of more blur? Because sde has nothing to do with the resolution but with the distance between the pixels. More and smaller pixels with the same distance = higher sde.

 

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[wormeaten]

Can someone who actually tried it confirm if tthere is less sde and it is not with the cost of more blur? Because sde has nothing to do with the resolution but with the distance between the pixels. More and smaller pixels with the same distance = higher sde.

 

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There is no person on the world who can convince you in anything about Rift so why bother at all.

[metzger]

There is no person on the world who can convince you in anything about Rift so why bother at all.

Not true at all. I would love to buy pimax if it has 6dof and better image with reasonable performance. But very few people have it to share experience. Reviews on YouTube does not say anything at all and are very (dont know how to explain on english) but they dont say much.

So if anyone have it and have some experience with dcs or racing sims like assetto corsa with it. I would love to hear their opinion on it in terms of picture quality tracking and performance.

 

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[pegon]

Exactly this is it. Rift/Vive are complete products, but they don't have the resolution i want. Fine when you look inside the cockpit, but trying to spot something in the distance is like being near-sighted. Pimax has better resolution, but it's still not a complete product. Software is still poor/non existent and not supported. For now i have no option but to sit on my money and wait for the right product.

That is why i am keenly interested in feedback from those of you that have a Pimax.

[Torso]

Jesus calm down!

 

 

Not sure why you are telling me to calm down. I did not type all caps nor use exclamation points for emphasis. I just calmly called out an uninformed and inaccurate comment. Would hate to have someone read that and think it was correct. I see though you perhaps could chill a bit. ;)

[wormeaten]

Not true at all. I would love to buy pimax if it has 6dof and better image with reasonable performance.

 

6DoF not existing, true it is fact and reason for some individual to buy it or not. Tracking in general is bit of problem but this is mostly connected to the Rift standards. But someone who is playing siting sim games this is get better results with pseudo 6DoF. I will not goes now in details about it because I was talk about it on this forum to much time but google is your best friend.

 

But about picture quality it is proven with reports, reviews and video on Youtube. There is no doubt about it at all. this is fact.

 

But very few people have it to share experience. Reviews on YouTube does not say anything at all and are very (dont know how to explain on english) but they dont say much.

 

Not exactly, maybe just in DCS but in general there si lot of videos which prove something. Only you have to search it and this is more Pimax marketing issue. Rift videos jump out from every beer can. But even on that high number of videos you can't see much because it is hard to represent 3D experience or SDE on video because it is based on subjective impressions. Closest way to get most real picture is watch video recorded trough lens of VR to see SDE.

 

So if anyone have it and have some experience with dcs or racing sims like assetto corsa with it. I would love to hear their opinion on it in terms of picture quality tracking and performance.

 

Pimax 4K is not working properly yet in DCS but working to the level to see benefit of no SDE and higher resolution display. Problem is with virtual menu not the game so this could be DCS problem not just Pimax or OSVR who have similar problem. Some more support to the OpenVR standards from ED will be appropriated.

 

With other games like Elite Dangerous, Asseto Corsa or Project Cars working like charm. Here is some videos recorded trough lens to get picture.

 

 

Edited February 12, 2017 by wormeaten

[wormeaten]

@metzger I don't force Pimax or any other VR and money it self is not the problem. I will pay 1000€ if it worth it. But Rift is to expensive for what they give. And the worst part is this is it no place for improvement at all.

 

Pimax have place for improvements because display.

 

OSVR I see only as cheaper version of Rift not true improvements only full RGB display and price.

 

Vive have better tracking and sharper picture but higher SDE and price. Personally I'm not interested in room scaling VR experience not even standing just seething.

 

3Glasses S1 Blubur is complete enigma. Specs are really promising, 2560x1440 704PPI display and display port shoving which way should VR go But there is no single proper review out there so no judgment about it yet. This will be really interesting to see it practical use in games.

 

This is show why is Rift major reason why VR is not advancing any more and major reason why I will not support it. It is more matter of my personal principals and common good.

 

Edited February 12, 2017 by wormeaten

[metzger]

Well I see your point but note that oculus were the ones who developed the VR technology. They put a lot of effort in developing, testing, marketing, software etc... This all cost a lot of money. If you look at both pimax and osvr you can see they took the dk2 design. They save a lot of efforts and money on developing because they easily could buy dk2 and have the technology ready and even though they are not much cheaper than oculus considering their products are far from finished and lacks of support.

Oculus had their software long time ago and releasing development kits, software developers had the chance to make their software to work with oculus long before there were any of the Chinese hmd's. I dont think it is correct to say that the who developed something is the reason why it is not advancing.

Anyway I dont care what hmd I will use if its fully working.

If vive can work in dcs so can others if developed correctly so if pimax managed to sol e the tracking issues and compatability, I would pay not 400 but 600 for it.

 

On the topic, starting a kickatarter seems odd to me, they have pimax 4k not finished yet and they want to start another product and who knows when it will be ready...

And taking consideration that vive and oculus for sure are working on their next gen and they probably are almost ready. I guess they dont want to make their current products obsolete by announcing the new ones but most probably they will announce them before the Chinese can finish their current ones. So I dont think paying for kickstarter for a Chinese company which does not have a english speaking person to write in their forum is a smart investment at the moment :)

 

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Edited February 12, 2017 by metzger
Edit: Assetto corsa video looks nice :)

[pegon]

So, for the reasons you mention i will never own a rift (had the DK2) What i am now waiting for is DCS 2.5 F/A-18c and a next gen VR set to merge for me sometime this year. Was also waiting for Star Citizen, however as it stands now it will not support VR.

Do you see any hope for the coming VR headsets hyped by Windows, Wormeaten ?