Little problem without some Tomcats

[ViperEagle]

CWIS is largely being replaced these days. What was more likely is that the radars were tracking the target, but it was determined to be non-hostile. My guess is that if it had been indeed dangerous it would have been eating missiles from the destroyers and cruisers before it was even within visual. IF it had gotten to the point where it did, and it was dangerous, the Rolling Airframe Missile launchers and CWIS would have been all over it like stink on s***

[hitman]

Try AMRAAM/SM-2MR/RAM. CIWS is for all intents and purposes the absolute last line of defense - it has a range no greater than 2 km from the ship.

 

Would you waste a half million dollar missile or 2 on a drone or would you rather waste 500 bucks on ammo?;)

[D-Scythe]

Would you waste a half million dollar missile or 2 on a drone or would you rather waste 500 bucks on ammo?;)

 

True, but sometimes the propaganda value of an event outweighs the financial cost. I'm sure the US Navy would much rather waste $100K on a X-ray Sidewinder to take out the drone rather than give the Iranians boasting rights that it "penetrated" the layered defenses of the most sophisticated AD system in the world (like what's happening now). 'Cept in this case, it would be during a war.

 

We'd know better, but the people that make up the rest of the general public wouldn't.

[Ardillita]

From the pics you provided...Id say that drone wasnt no longer than 4 feet...6 feet tops. The guy in front of the drone (in the truck) gives a good size comparison. So tell me where they plan to mount this ship-killing missile at?

 

Did I mention that painting them a bright color kinda makes it easy to spot?

 

 

No, here you are wrong, and this is said by a person who works at the sea. You won´t see nothing of that size that is far at aprox 500 meters from you. I don´t know the english word dor this kind of glasses, but we have to use them to filter sun reflections, and a special effect produced by vapor on the water and so, wich just don´t let you see nothing far at 500 m from you. You can paint it in the color you want (the only good color is a orange very bright, fosforecent used in lifesavers). Other color you just won´t notice them, unless somebody tells you (look righ right there" and you will spend many many second to get your eyed used to the sun light until you have a chance to spot what you are looking for.

 

Also, of course I don´t know the US radars capabilities mounted on that carrier, but as an example: a month ago, we had the visit of some boats from our armada, the most modern one. Some destructors and so. 2 of them are suposed to be our most modern war boats, don´t remember the type, but were french boats (destructors) from the 90´s, very modern really with upgraded radar and electronic countermeasures agains missiles, etc. We took the tourist tour on them. Me , as a professional diver, had the oportunity to talk to the captain and got access to the bridge. I was lucky to see more in deep thjings about the coutermeasures, radars,etc. One of my question was about if the radar could detect the Albatros. The Albatros is a sea bird we have here, black, of about 2,50 long from wing to wing. It is a huge bird that lives his life flying. They told me that they can not detect them, only under special circunstances and the detection was only a spot that would desapear in the next radar pass.

 

My comment: being the albatros of that size, and ver very difficult to detct, wouldn´t be posible that US also can´t detect things of such size or may be it was confused with a bird in the radar? The albatros is quit bigger that the robots of the posted pictures.... And for sure I can tell that you don´t see them, unless they are very near from you

[Pilotasso]

An albatross is very different fom an UAV that inneviably uses metals inside of it.

[GGTharos]

My comment: being the albatros of that size, and ver very difficult to detct, wouldn´t be posible that US also can´t detect things of such size or may be it was confused with a bird in the radar? The albatros is quit bigger that the robots of the posted pictures.... And for sure I can tell that you don´t see them, unless they are very near from you

 

Birds and drones are very different in terms of radar.

 

I used a recon radar which could see every leaf in the forest (this of course was useless - too much clutter), but not birds.

 

But if anyone was flying a little RC plane around I'd see it ;)

And that was a radar with 10km range.

[Mustang]

IRCG missile tests, not quite the drone topic, but interesting http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95952

[Anytime]

I've seen a ship hit a target with 1 or 2 shells of a 5" cannon from alot furhter than those pics were taken, going a damn lot faster. It did have a better radar than those ol' Aegis jobs though :P

 

That thing is both smaller and lighter than a Maverick. It couldn't carry a single, let alone a 'couple' or even a Hellfire. ;)

[Pilotasso]

IRCG missile tests, not quite the drone topic, but interesting http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=95952

 

 

Amazing how they have been allowed to go this far impunely.

 

My guess is that they wont do much further untill someone starts thinking pre empty actions outweights the risks of leting it go.

[GGTharos]

Hehe, I've seen a Halifax Class frigate on exercises, that 5" being used as an ack-ack gun was just scary :P

[Anytime]

The one i saw was more like a sniper with a big proximity bang once it got close to the poor drone!

 

Hehe, I've seen a Halifax Class frigate on exercises, that 5" being used as an ack-ack gun was just scary :P

[Pilotasso]

For those who doubt Iranian UAVS could be detected and shot down:

http://www.f-16.net/news_article1983.html

Hows that for size?

[Pilotasso]

Umpety bumpety

[Guest IguanaKing]

Are some of those Iranian drones really GPS-guided? :megalol:

 

It'll be funny to watch them all rendered ineffective if an actual shooting war begins. Hmmm...maybe they have forgotten who controls those satellites? :D

[Corsair7662]

Hmmm...maybe they have forgotten who controls those satellites? :D

 

hahahahaha that is soo true!

[59th_LeFty]

IguanaKing, that rocks :D

 

By the way, I think we're talking about an incident that would never happen, wether the Carrier (or any unit of the fleet) detects the drone or not. Out there, in real life, are *many* other facts, that has way larger influence in making the decision about that drone. First of all, there is not a war going on against Iran. These military exercises does have military meanings, but the political and press-campaign significance is the main reason of them. Also, if the Carrier Group Commander decides that this drone csould be dangeorus, he also has to consider many other facts, like the possibility (not only on the military way) of an incoming attack. An extreme imagery: I've seen Cessnas flying almost over the military base near my home, and there were no QRA alerted or KUBs locking into them :)

[Corsair7662]

I've seen Cessnas flying almost over the military base near my home, and there were no QRA alerted or KUBs locking into them :)

 

lol maybe so but little 172/182's arent 3-5 million dollar projects from a different countries airforce. High in the sky and may have concealed weapons onboard, if you were the Superior Offficer of the battle group and saw an unknown incoming object/drone, what would you do? knowing it may be a threat to your surroundings.

 

About that cessna, it was on a course which may have entered private military airspace, so I am sure they were alerted by the ATC to stand clear and go around it. And so instead, we had no news about an incoming drone that will fly over our airspace (above the battle group) and take pictures/videos/or launch something. That is why it was such a wake up about how we didnt know about this and how it didnt get picked up by an Aegis or something.

[hitman]

The only way a drone can seriously hurt a carrier air group is if it was big enough to carry a backpack nuke...And Iran's nuke technology is FAR from backpack nukes atm.

[Skwurl]

And so instead, we had no news about an incoming drone that will fly over our airspace (above the battle group) and take pictures/videos/or launch something.

 

You mean, you had no news of it.

 

Just because the US navy didn't email you the latest in their carrier operations, doesn't mean they weren't aware of it.

 

The United States is not going to spark an international crisis just because of a stupid Iranian drone. US carrier groups have been allowing overhead flybys for ages and I guarantee that the drone was picked up on radar and tracked thoroughly.

 

Also, what makes you think the F-14 is the only capable fighter of engaging a defenseless spy drone? The loss of the Tomcat has drawbacks, but this is definitely not one of them.

[Pilotasso]

It only took one F-16 and an IR missile to do it as I posted on a previous page.

[Guest IguanaKing]

Heh...or a simple change to the non-encrypted GPS timing codes on the SVs in that particular region. This could be done without provoking an international incident. The US could simply say, "So, your drone got lost. Didn't you guys use a prediction program to check RAIM and WFDE coverage in your planned area of flight? Boo-hoo!" :D

[Force_Feedback]

And UAVs have been shot down before, hell, even by ak-47s, and as that thread mentions, the Pakistani AF shot an Indian, Israeli made UAV with an AIM-9 with a very old, unupgraded F-16, without the pilot wearing any light augnmentaion device (it was at night). That's what I call an accomplishment, doing much with little, and not the other way around.

I don't care about Iran or Israel for that matter, but that video was sweet, the sound of those rockets lifting off is just awesome.

 

Let's hope those missiles will never be used in combat there.

[Guest IguanaKing]

But, those missiles ARE being used in "combat" and their launchers seem to be extremely proud of their accomplishment. Why are they using GPS guidance then? Are they stupid...or do they not actually expect to fight a real war? If their GPS guidance becomes a threat to US or allied forces in the region...guess what?!!! It goes bye-bye!!! All with the simple flip of a switch on the part of US DoD. Defeating these drones doesn't get much simpler than that. Russian GLONASS satellite constellation? Yeah, right! :lol: Show me a drone navigating off of that 8-active-satellite constellation and I will show you one lost drone. :D This video, if it is real, unlike SO many others put out by Iran in recent months, is little more than the US military acting like the typical Dobermann Pinscher. The Dobermann ALSO plays a game of, "Yeah...there ya go...get a little closer. I won't hurt ya. Honest.", with an evil, whispered cackle under his breath...just before he runs, leaps on you, and rips your throat out. :smilewink:

[nscode]

Shooting down UAVs is fun :) saw one go pfljnnng :D can't find the video now :(