R-27EA (AE) on Su-27

[Teknetinium]

yes why not very smart thinking , take russian air dynamics and put EU avionics cant be better.

[RedTiger]

EDIT: Nevermind, I was going to ask a friendly question about his research, but apparently I'm on Hajduk's ignore list. If he'll ignore you for what I said, I'd hate to see what he does to people who actually maliciously provoke him. All I did was bad-mouth an author of a book he bought!

[Geier]

I have not found any real pilot evidence or official tech data of it. Only Hajduk words.

[S77th-konkussion]

I have not found any real pilot evidence or official tech data of it. Only Hajduk words.

 

more like Hadjuk's "desires"

[Pilotasso]

India have more Su-30M Then Russians, Russian air force is not updated that's obvious but it doesnt mean that technology is, Su-30M possessed by India is the most capable airframe in the region. So about outdated, yes russian air force but not russian technology if u have the money to pay for it.

 

You are correct but what the indians payed for was Russian airframe stuffed with Israely and french Avionics. plus the Indians already were disapointed with the RVVAE lack of datalink.

[DarkWanderer]

...stuffed with Israely and french Avionics.

Yes, just because the Irbis-A (like most of the russian "offensive" equipment including missiles) is exported only in "cutted" version. I think, americans do the same.

[GGTharos]

I believe the exported US radars may have reduced ECCM capability and may be some war modes are missing, but otherwise they are 'full up'.

[nscode]

It was a response to 'if Russia had money' ... they didn't, and reality is that their airforce has been technologically backwards.

 

And that makes it as fictional as Star Wars? Ok, it's not in Russian service. That doesn't make it non-existent. Even the lack of proof doesn't make it go away. The western world has perfected the skill of not having a clue about what goes on around them. "Poor Ruskies with them poor old T-55, still the main tank" and then whaaam thousands of T-72 appear out of "nowhere"; "Yea, we're destroying those Serb tanks right and good, we engaged 10 today and 15 yesterday, around tea time", and then all but a few pull out untouched; "Sorryyy a pilot of ours fell a sleep and flew into your airspace, and he must have gone out of fuel since he crashed somewhere on your teritory.. Ough.. you shot it down? Ough.. you have the pilot? And the films? Soooo, how are things at home?" :D

 

 

I'm perfectly OK with it being left out of the game for the reasons of no proof of active service, but if AE is as fictional as star ships then Moulder was right all along :)

[tflash]

Fact of the matter is that today, Russia's air force is slightly resurgent while the USAF is in its deepest crisis ever.

[S77th-konkussion]

Fact of the matter is that today, Russia's air force is slightly resurgent while the USAF is in its deepest crisis ever.

 

 

Welll!! Aren't we the drama queen today..

[tflash]

Maybe I read the newspapers ...

[GGTharos]

Star Trek. You're no longer worthy ;)

 

And that makes it as fictional as Star Wars? Ok, it's not in Russian service. That doesn't make it non-existent. Even the lack of proof doesn't make it go away. The western world has perfected the skill of not having a clue about what goes on around them. "Poor Ruskies with them poor old T-55, still the main tank" and then whaaam thousands of T-72 appear out of "nowhere"; "Yea, we're destroying those Serb tanks right and good, we engaged 10 today and 15 yesterday, around tea time", and then all but a few pull out untouched; "Sorryyy a pilot of ours fell a sleep and flew into your airspace, and he must have gone out of fuel since he crashed somewhere on your teritory.. Ough.. you shot it down? Ough.. you have the pilot? And the films? Soooo, how are things at home?" :D

 

 

I'm perfectly OK with it being left out of the game for the reasons of no proof of active service, but if AE is as fictional as star ships then Moulder was right all along :)

[S77th-konkussion]

Maybe I read the newspapers ...

 

Therein lies your problem.

[tflash]

But Fox Mulder was right all along! The truth is out there ;) (And I still have these dreams of Dana Scully)

[nscode]

Star Trek.

 

It's all the same to me... never been a fan :D

 

(actually I did like the cartoon when I was little :))

[Geier]

But Fox Mulder was right all along! The truth is out there ;) (And I still have these dreams of Dana Scully)

 

Yeah, I remember that:)

[Force_Feedback]

Didn't like Dana Scully much, liked that other one, in the last two seasons, she was hot. (I know, a very mature analysis). But Fox Mulder is the best, his strange lifestyle, stoner remarks, paranoia (related to the former?) and genuine love for the paranormal, and especially extraterrestials is awesome. You know what, when I'll have some time off, I'll start watching from the first episode.

 

BTW, the R-27EA is only 'offered' as a mid/end life upgrade for the R-27, but since all of them are quite old, propellant wise, nobody, even Ukraine themselves has bothered to implement ARH on it. In fact, let's start a thread on the KS-172 and its constantly changing appearance, and ask ourselves how many of those are in service.

And even then, so what, there is the Meteor, and several other long range AAMs that have far more impressive specs.

 

Man, I think I've said it like 10 times in theis thread :P

[nscode]

You know what, when I'll have some time off, I'll start watching from the first episode.

 

Exactly what I did a month ago. :) I always liked the early seasons more, before they got into that government undefined conspiracy mambo jumbo stretching several episodes long...

 

Man, I think I've said it like 10 times in theis thread

 

Yea, everyone's repeating them selves; that's how we got to discussing TV stuff :D

 

The bottom line is: there are no technological reasons why the missile could not exist and be build in large numbers. There are however political, financial and tactical reasons why it most likely had never seen service.

 

As for it being removed from the game - I don't see how it that much more unrealistic than other things that are still there. Leaving it in, with servers choosing if they allow it or not, would allow for more "what if" scenarios, but this is OK too. It goes with my philosophy - do what you can with what you have. This kind of discussion about "details" will be of much more use when we get to the DCS level of things :book:

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

The bottom line is: there are no technological reasons why the missile could not exist and be build in large numbers. There are however political, financial and tactical reasons why it most likely had never seen service.

All I am saying is that there are a lot's of pictures of EA's (even os Sukhoi web site) and updated 9B-1103M ARH seeker. Each one of us can draw its own conclussions based on these facts.

 

Interestignly, I don't see AGAT offering SARH seeker for R-27 missiles? What is the SARH R-27 seeker model and who makes it? I thought it was made by AGAT?

[504Goon]

All I am saying is that there are a lot's of pictures of EA's (even os Sukhoi web site) and updated 9B-1103M ARH seeker. Each one of us can draw its own conclussions based on these facts.

 

I had a look at Sukhoi's own website, and didn't find any of this EA material you mentioned.. The fact that it isn't even listed on the armament information makes me draw my own conclusions about the existence of EA.

 

I must have missed out quite a few posts in this thread, because i'm still not quite sure how you can identify R-27EA? [sarcasm] Like this?: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=265001&postcount=29 ?

[/sarcasm]

[Pilotasso]

Goon: nonono! didnt you know the missile is secret? :D

[159th_Viper]

Goon: nonono! didnt you know the missile is secret? :D

 

 

 

 

:D

[Teknetinium]

Goon: nonono! didnt you know the missile is secret? :D

 

 

It was on till 1992, and maby still is if its possessed by the Chinese

[Vekkinho]

India have more Su-30M Then Russians, Russian air force is not updated that's obvious but it doesnt mean that technology is, Su-30M possessed by India is the most capable airframe in the region. So about outdated, yes russian air force but not russian technology if u have the money to pay for it.

 

Believe me, each and every Su-30M airframe sitting conserved in some hangar awaiting export to India, Malaysia, China or whatever can be prepared for combat within a few hours. So until they finally leave Russia they can be considered as Russian airforce. I saw dozens of Flanker and Fulcrum airframes sitting unpainted at Zhukovski, all airworthy with all systems functional. When India or some of the customers make a deposit they'll be painted with appropriate camos! That's the point! Having airworthy, unregistered airframes you didn't pay a dime for!

[GGTharos]

.. and haven't spent a dime training on.