How to make Gun Runs for armed things safely ?

[FalconPlot16]

when i try gunrun some tanks or apcs they always giving me further damage with their machine gun they just like AAA so only safe thing is firing agm65 on em or using bombs but i want to takeout tanks with brrrt i cant even get close they firing from 1.5-2.0 miles which is gau 8's effective range please give me advice

[Sryan]

Don't be the only target to shoot at.

 

APCs don't have thick armor. the PGU-14 can penetrate it from further than 2 miles.

 

Don't present yourself as a target until you're ready to shoot. The tanks will have a shorter time getting weapons to bear if you do a pop-up rather than a long dive towards the target. This will also reduce the angle of incidence that the shells will hit on the usually flat sides and rear of the tank.

 

Maneuver aggressively. Don't just maneuver in one plane, mix it up with rolling and pitching.

 

Break off and maneuver immediatly after shooting. Don't wait for the impact or return fire.

[David OC]

Yep, move more fire less :), don't say on the same flight line, you only need to move just a little, up, down, left right etc don't be the same all the time, most of the tracer rounds you see will miss if you move before they reach you.

 

Try this out by doing some flybys near some APC's etc and just move in different directions. Remember the gunners have to estimate where you "probably" will be when they fire, if you stay straight and don't maneuver you will most likely be hit.

Edited April 18, 2017 by David OC

[FalconPlot16]

to avoid tank cannon fire my dive angle must be high then ?

[lemoen]

to avoid tank cannon fire my dive angle must be high then ?

 

Not necessarily. The trick is to start the dive precisely, so that your pipper is on target immediately. Do the burst and pull away. If you see the tracers coming during the burst, pull away immediately. Make sure you have a few 1000 ft at the lowest point, else you'll get shot.

[p1t1o]

I've been doing a lot of AG practice in the A10C recently.

 

Some notes:

 

Attacking MG-armed vehicles - break off at the first sign of tracer fire and you should be fine. This does give you enough time for a decent strafing run as MG effective range is low.

 

Tank+APC machine guns dont do much damage, you can take one or two light hits, but dont dally. Autocannon-armed vehicles, such as BMP-2 are more dangerous, treat with caution.

 

Do NOT attempt to strafe shilkas!

 

Killing main battle tanks takes a lot of hits from close range. Unless there is a critical need, tanks should be attacked with other weapons.

 

My preferred exit manouver is to break off hard but keep going for the deck, egress at low level and high speed and pop back up to a safe altitude once Im a bit further from any AA fire.

 

Do not attempt to extend available firing time by strafing "slow", this makes you an easy target - and the gunPAC system (the system which stabilises the aircraft under recoil, allowing accurate bursts) seems to need a decent speed for the control authority to effectively stabilise the aircraft. Come in fast.

 

Do NOT fire until you have positively IDd the target visually. This seems obvious but there are many terrain features which look almost exactly like vehicles from a distance.

[=Pedro=]

Popup attacks and spiral maneuvers.

Edited April 18, 2017 by =Pedro=
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[FalconPlot16]

thanks guys i will try what u said then i will report back !

[razo+r]

when i try gunrun some tanks or apcs they always giving me further damage with their machine gun they just like AAA so only safe thing is firing agm65 on em or using bombs but i want to takeout tanks with brrrt i cant even get close they firing from 1.5-2.0 miles which is gau 8's effective range please give me advice

 

if you want to gun them, if possible, attack them from the side or rear, less armor

 

Zoom in, and when you see a muzzle flash, do a small maneuver

 

Go in close, 1 mile should be good

[Deezle]

 

Do NOT attempt to strafe shilkas!

 

Shilkas are easy. I'd rather deal with those from 1.5nm than get within .7nm to kill a tank.

[p1t1o]

Shilkas are easy. I'd rather deal with those from 1.5nm than get within .7nm to kill a tank.

 

You're a better shot than me then mate! :joystick:

[FalconPlot16]

i finally managed to destroy btr's without being shot engaged from 1.7-2.0 miles havent tried tanks cuz i had limited ammunition.

 

edit : i was engaging armed things slowly about 200 knots before i didnt know that it makes me open target now im gun running with full throtle they are not returning fire thanks guys i fixed this problem

Edited April 20, 2017 by FalconPlot16

[Emmy]

Tanks .. Attack them from the rear or at a high dive angle.

 

Armor is thinnest in the rear and on top.

[kylekatarn720]

There is a guy called, i think its recon stewart, on youtube check his playlists. The ones you are lookin for are, basic flight and advanced flight qualifications if i remember correctly. U will learn a lot from those videos.

 

Video for the gun runs should be this one:

 

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Edit: dunno how i managed to post a link to a video that i didnt even watch but just look for air to ground gun employment on that youtubers videos.

Edited April 23, 2017 by kylekatarn720

[WildBillKelsoe]

[Pikey]

To answer the OP, the real tactic would be to only be lined up with the target at the point immediately before you shoot and to have previously moved in all three planes of axis to present a moving target to the enemy, and once fired, to do the same. This would obviously have been done in one pass ideally, since your days are numbered if you re engage something that is firing accurately at you. The attack profile would be a pop pattern with a low approach, steep climb and rolling in, timed to be pipper on target only as you roll out right on the weapons useful range. It's great fun to practice and requires great timing.

 

In practice, DCS enemy is a pretty good shot for the first attack! No surprise, detected imediately, no AI firing closer subsequently, the more you are around. So, throw most of your real world examples out the window, except the movement in three planes and as little time pointed towards the enemy as possible!

 

The DCS AI gunner is fairly good at predicting where you will be. So don't be...THERE. Move.