Joni Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Will DCS World installed on an SSD wear the drive? Or does it just read? I have an 850 evo and would like to know if its gonna wear by playing dcs on it. thanksss Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Even if DCS wrote to the drive frequently while you played, which it doesn't, SSD's don't wear out nearly as fast as you probably think. It would take many years of major write operations to wear out a modern SSD. Don't worry about wearing out your SSD and a DCS installation would not be a significant contributor, even if drive writes were a legitimate concern. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 Hi, thanks. My ssd has 75 TB lifetime, i had it for 6 months with no games on it and it wrote 0.8TB already, I dont even do a lot of downloads. So that was why I was concerned. I always heard about not putting games on an ssd :( Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon_ Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 The Samsung 850 evo is among the best, use him. Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWillis Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 If wearing out drives is a problem for you, I'd suggest you place any important data elsewhere, and wear out that sucker doing what it is supposed to do. What else were SSDs invented for if it wasn't DCS World! By the time you wear it out, the replacement will be as cheap as chips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corn322 Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Techreport.com did a test to see how long SSDs last. The first casualty was an Intel 335 series, after writing 700TB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 After 2 years HEAVY usage I am down to 98% health on 1 drive ( used to be my OS SSD and now is DCS SSD ) and 99% remaining on my 2nd 850Pro which is now my OS SSD to balance usage. the 98% has 21TB written...after 2 years daily usage...and I bet I push it more than you do, along with VMware and other "heavy" tasks that do write a lot, like downloading Linux and WIndows Images of roughly 4GB each many times a month, copying stuff etc etc.. DCS will not ruin your SSD, RELAX :thumbup: Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svend_Dellepude Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Thanks a lot for the link. interesting read. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) I just checked Samsung website and the data you provided is correct, limit is 75TBW for the 250GB version 850 EVO. Get a Pro version next time. From my post above, 20TB TBW on a 256GB-850-Pro is 2% off, whereas for the EVO modell this is more than 25% OFF. the Pro as you can see is over 10x better in TBW allowed before failure is imminent and also Samsung will not cover any warranty if the TBW is reached Screw the Evo pal, next time pay 30€ more and get the right SSD THE ONLY reason why I use an 840 Evo is that I got 4 of them for free, that easy. It holds the least games I play edit* samsung says 150TBW for 850pro-256GB.....I now wonder where the 98% health come from...LoL BACH TO 15k 3.5" HDD's !!! LOL Edited June 18, 2017 by BitMaster Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzles Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 SSD wear is basically not a problem on any SSD made in the last 3-ish years. Go for "pro" or server version, and go as big as you can. They're coming with 5-10 year guarantees now. That's far longer than the life of a PC, and you'll have probably replaced it for something bigger by then. Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Server versions are SAS based and you will not be able to connect them unless you pay for an Raid-On-Chip adapter card that has SAS connectors. Those SSD's are easily as costly as 2 Titans..or 4 or 8 Titans !!!! Samsung made new Server SSD's that sell for 400 round about, which is a very good price but you still need an SAS controller. SOME X99 boards have them onboard as LSI ( LSI belongs to Intel ) Adapters and 2-channels usually. The smalles Adapter sells for about 4-500€ without cables and Battery...add another 100-200 for that ! Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 I just checked Samsung website and the data you provided is correct, limit is 75TBW for the 250GB version 850 EVO. Get a Pro version next time. From my post above, 20TB TBW on a 256GB-850-Pro is 2% off, whereas for the EVO modell this is more than 25% OFF. the Pro as you can see is over 10x better in TBW allowed before failure is imminent and also Samsung will not cover any warranty if the TBW is reached Screw the Evo pal, next time pay 30€ more and get the right SSD THE ONLY reason why I use an 840 Evo is that I got 4 of them for free, that easy. It holds the least games I play edit* samsung says 150TBW for 850pro-256GB.....I now wonder where the 98% health come from...LoL BACH TO 15k 3.5" HDD's !!! LOL I dont think thats gonna happen, SSDs here cost too much, in fact it was a big effort to buy this evo. On a different post I made, Wader8 just wrote this: ...one of the major things that hammers the I/O is the replay tracking, which does a ton of writes on default C: drive. That drive could be the ssd if I change :D Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splash Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Lifetime of my SSD is 220 Tb written and after a year and a half I wrote about 5 Tb, including two complete upgrades from Windows 7 to Windows 10 and back to Windows 7. No worry about wearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemoen Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I wouldn't worry about it. Just replace the drive when it fails and never ever have your important documents only on physical drives, keep them in the cloud and never worry about backups again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporg Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) Will DCS World installed on an SSD wear the drive? Or does it just read? I have an 850 evo and would like to know if its gonna wear by playing dcs on it. FWIW: I have a 120 GB 850 Pro SSD. It has Windows 7 and release DCS installed since I bought it in October 2014. It has been filled to the brim most of the time and has to this date reached ~12 TBW. Even if it was an Evo, I would still have around 84 % lifetime left on it. Or, to put it like this: With the current speed of wear, I would have around 18 years of total lifetime in it, which means 15 years remaining from now, if it was an Evo. I don't think you should have much to worry about. One thing though, make sure you switch off any type of defragmenting on your SSD. It has no use on an SSD, and only increases wear on it. But if you run the Samsung Magician SW and follow the recommendations in it, you should be all fine. Edit: I should mention, that I have all storage data on a separate HDD. Downloads, documents, photos etc. Edited June 19, 2017 by Sporg System specs: Gigabyte Aorus Master, i7 9700K@std, GTX 1080TI OC, 32 GB 3000 MHz RAM, NVMe M.2 SSD, Oculus Quest VR (2x1600x1440) Warthog HOTAS w/150mm extension, Slaw pedals, Gametrix Jetseat, TrackIR for monitor use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 I dont think thats gonna happen, SSDs here cost too much, in fact it was a big effort to buy this evo. On a different post I made, Wader8 just wrote this: That drive could be the ssd if I change :D Heavy I/O ?????????????? THAT IS E X A C T L Y what SSD's are for !!!!!!!! You dont buy a Porsche and then take the 2CV from Munich to Frankfurt cause you are worried about gas consumption and tyre wear & tear on your 911 , or would you ? By all means, use that SSD wherever heavy I/O takes place ! Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 Heavy I/O ?????????????? THAT IS E X A C T L Y what SSD's are for !!!!!!!! You dont buy a Porsche and then take the 2CV from Munich to Frankfurt cause you are worried about gas consumption and tyre wear & tear on your 911 , or would you ? By all means, use that SSD wherever heavy I/O takes place ! I think the point was the tons of writes not the heavy i/o Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) tons of writes = lots of "I" The faster you can write to a medium the less time slices that process occupies from your available slices = better, more optimized. edit: since no "I" happens without verification it always drags the same amount of small "O"'s behind. There you have heavy I/O Edited June 19, 2017 by BitMaster Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 I dont wanna hurt my baby :cry: Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAW_Blaze Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 You should put DCS on the SSD, damn the cost. The difference it makes in loading is incredible. Besides, the wear is not significant. I'm running a 850 EVO too I think and I'm around ~ 1 TB over a year ( or more I can't recall when I bought it). Set up temporary stuff and environment to a normal HDD, hell I even linked my user directory to the HDD (although that was a bit of a bitch to do) and that should reduce the amount of load. Installing random stuff to the HDD and only putting the important and power hungry stuff on the SSD can also help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David OC Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 My new PC has the samsung 960 evo m.2 500gb. I also went and looked up a few things about the drive. "3,000 program/erase cycles. But granted, as drastic as that sounds, it's all relative as this lifespan will very likely last longer than any mechanical HDD. Drive wearing protection and careful usage will help you out greatly. With an SSD filled normally and very heavy writing/usage of say 10 GBs data each day 365 days a year, you'd be looking at roughly 22 full SSD write cycles per year, out of the 3,000 (worst case scenario) available. However, all calculations on this matter are debatable and theoretical as usage differs and even things like how much free space you leave on your SSD can affect the drive." http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/samsung-960-evo-m-2-1tb-nvme-ssd-review,3.html i7-7700K OC @ 5Ghz | ASUS IX Hero MB | ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX | 32GB Corsair 3000Mhz | Corsair H100i V2 Radiator | Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 500G SSD | Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD | Corsair HX850i Platinum 850W | Oculus Rift | ASUS PG278Q 27-inch, 2560 x 1440, G-SYNC, 144Hz, 1ms | VKB Gunfighter Pro Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Download PDF Tutorial guides to help get up to speed with aircraft quickly and also great for taking a good look at the aircraft available for DCS before purchasing. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necroscope Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 You likely change your SSD for bigger one then because of wearing. Mine SSD with Windows and games on it stands for 6.5 years already and still 98% healthy according report. Всех убью, один останусь! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share Posted June 19, 2017 thanks for all the kind replies. I guess my biggest concern comes from living in a third world place, where getting or replacing one of these stuff is a real effort. Also, not knowing enough about SSDs. I did the basics of "SSD protection manual" like activating trim, ahci, no restore, no defragmentation. But still using pagefile and other stuff that is recommended but not proved. So all of this makes me wonder about wear too. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necroscope Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 thanks for all the kind replies. I guess my biggest concern comes from living in a third world place, where getting or replacing one of these stuff is a real effort. Also, not knowing enough about SSDs. I did the basics of "SSD protection manual" like activating trim, ahci, no restore, no defragmentation. But still using pagefile and other stuff that is recommended but not proved. So all of this makes me wonder about wear too. You can use Restore and PageFile on SSD without any hesitation. You even can have Temp folder in there. With current SSD tech - next time you start looking for new one will be the day when your existing SSD become incompatible with your brand-new liquid palladium cooled motherboard for new 1600 core processor. :) Всех убью, один останусь! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavagai Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Now you've all got me curious. How are you checking your SSD drive wear? Are you using one of the utilities advertised on google, or is there a way to check through Windows itself? 1 P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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