636_Castle Posted June 21, 2017 Author Posted June 21, 2017 Here is more details: http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/politics/us-syria-russia-dogfight/index.html Well there you have it. Another report. Su-22 defeated the AIM-9 and it was followed up with a 120, just as Tom Cooper and SkateZilla had said. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] How To Fix Your X-52's Rudder!
Fri13 Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 AIM-9X is not supposed to be "easy" to dodge especially in a Su-22. It's very likely the Syrian pilot to have had no clue about the Super Hornet being around not to mention shooting. AIM-120 is not very likely to have been used in this case given that it really matters to be sure at who you are shooting at hence the need to come WVR and identify. My guess is 9X, single shot. Do you think that Syria didn't have a air defense network up and running and being blind so no one had any knowledge of that Hornet than a US and they had info about that Su-22 as well and everyone else? i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K.
Sweep Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 CNN for military aviation news...Interesting. As for Syria's AD network - 6 years of hell does something to you at every level. That's not even getting into training differences and such. Lord of Salt
ED Team NineLine Posted June 22, 2017 ED Team Posted June 22, 2017 Do you think that Syria didn't have a air defense network up and running and being blind so no one had any knowledge of that Hornet than a US and they had info about that Su-22 as well and everyone else? I think they are relying on mostly Russian equipment right now, and most of that is on the western side of Syria, I think the middle of Syria is pretty much too much of a mess for anyone. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
RaceFuel85 Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 I think it's reasonable to expect that the Syrians and their Russian partners/co-combatants/etc were aware of the Super Hornet being there but either neglected to inform the Fitter pilot or banked on the Super Hornet not taking any action.
SkateZilla Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 Seeing as the F/A-18s were close enough to observe everything and even Wake Rocked the Su Pilot... I'd say they knew he was there... Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
RaceFuel85 Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 Seeing as the F/A-18s were close enough to observe everything and even Wake Rocked the Su Pilot... I'd say they knew he was there... D'oh! Yes..I forgot that news came out.
DocSigma Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 There is just too little information as to why the pilot decided to use a MRM instead of another 9X to shoot down the Su-22 - initial load-out, did the only remaining SRM misfire, and probably a plethora of additional reasons. Ryzen9 5800X3D, Gigabyte Aorus X570 Elite, 32Gb Gskill Trident DDR4 3600 CL16, Samsung 990 Pr0 1Tb Nvme Gen4, Evo860 1Tb 2.5 SSD and Team 1Tb 2.5 SSD, MSI Suprim X RTX4090 , Corsair h115i Platinum AIO, NZXT H710i case, Seasonic Focus 850W psu, Gigabyte Aorus AD27QHD Gsync 1ms IPS 2k monitor 144Mhz, Track ir4, VKB Gunfighter Ultimate w/extension, Virpil T50 CM3 Throttle, Saitek terrible pedals, RiftS
RyboPops Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 They fly double ugly a lot in that part of the world which typically only includes a single AIM-9 and a single AIM-120. That's a possible reason.
mvsgas Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 Maybe I miss it, but has there even been any official information released from the US DOD or USN stating even the weapons the aircraft was carrying? I ask because the F/A-18 tend to carry very mix load out, some video even show them carrying what looks like AIM-7, some carry limited missiles (one of each SRM and MRM). To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
RyboPops Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 No, the AIM-9X followed by AIM-120 storyline is just that...a story. It hasn't been confirmed by any official source that I've seen. Regarding the AIM-7, they don't carry them into combat AFAIK. I believe each squadron gets an allotment of them for a yearly SHOOTEX.
riproren Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 The latest poop on the incident. http://www.businessinsider.com/how-f-18-shot-down-syrian-su-22-air-to-air-kill-2017-6 Alienware Area 51, Windows 10, I7-5820k, 6 cores 15mb Cache Overclocked to 3.8GGZ, 32GB Dual Channel DDR4 at 2133mhz, Dual Nvidia Titan X 12MB. 2TB 7200rpm sata 6gb/s,
Emu Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 None official(usually not very informative concerning specs), so I cannot say whether its correct or not, but IMO it does sound quite plausible. Radar guided missiles are LOAL and usually require a little fly-out time to "set up" and locate the target. AIM-120 can be fired LOBL too.
The Black Swan Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 The latest poop on the incident. http://www.businessinsider.com/how-f-18-shot-down-syrian-su-22-air-to-air-kill-2017-6 Wait... was that an old sidewinder? Or did flares spook a 9x? GeForce GTX 970, i5 4690K 3.5 GHz, 8 GB ram, Win 10, 1080p
Sweep Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 Same story being circlesourced by all the news normies! Yay! AFAIK, they've mainly been flying with 9Xs over there...Like every picture with AAMs shows 'em as I remember. Lord of Salt
Weta43 Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 Seeing as the F/A-18s were close enough to observe everything and even Wake Rocked the Su Pilot... I'd say they knew he was there... Yes, & the passenger flight that was intercepted by an F-16 over the Baltic knew the F-16 was there, but didn't expect to be launched on, and the F-16 knew that the Su-27 that showed him his weapons was there, but didn't expect to be launched on. The Su-22 undoubtedly knew the Hornet was there, but probably believed that the pilot would respect international law and not shoot down a Syrian air-force aircraft operating in Syrian airspace. Cheers.
frixon28 Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 Yes, & the passenger flight that was intercepted by an F-16 over the Baltic knew the F-16 was there, but didn't expect to be launched on, and the F-16 knew that the Su-27 that showed him his weapons was there, but didn't expect to be launched on.e. Wait Wait what is this? When did this ever happened? An F16 shot at an airliner and a Su-27 shot at the F16???? When was this?
RyboPops Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 The Su-22 undoubtedly knew the Hornet was there, but probably believed that the pilot would respect international law and not shoot down a Syrian air-force aircraft operating in Syrian airspace. Maybe that would be true had it not allegedly dropped munitions near coalition/coalition backed forces. At this point, unless you read an official DOD or USN report that specifies what occurred, everyone should just assume that the news has it wrong. They can't get articles about civilian/commercial aviation right, why would anyone trust them to report on tactical aviation correctly?
636_Castle Posted June 23, 2017 Author Posted June 23, 2017 At this point, unless you read an official DOD or USN report that specifies what occurred, everyone should just assume that the news has it wrong. They can't get articles about civilian/commercial aviation right, why would anyone trust them to report on tactical aviation correctly? Is defense.gov considered fake news? https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1220818/dod-official-sole-focus-in-iraq-syria-remains-on-isis/ The rest of the media was given information from Pentagon spokesman Jeff Davis. Not sure what CNN has to gain from lying about what type of missile was used. The general population probably doesn't even care. You could always contact DoD public affairs to see if there's any other media that's getting it wrong. :) 703-571-3343 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] How To Fix Your X-52's Rudder!
Sweep Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 Yes, & the passenger flight that was intercepted by an F-16 over the Baltic knew the F-16 was there, but didn't expect to be launched on, and the F-16 knew that the Su-27 that showed him his weapons was there, but didn't expect to be launched on. The Su-22 undoubtedly knew the Hornet was there, but probably believed that the pilot would respect international law and not shoot down a Syrian air-force aircraft operating in Syrian airspace. The Flanker thing is so funny. He pulls up in fingertip for a bit, turns out and joins up on the HVAA and suddenly that's a hostile act!?! Okay...:P And, uhhh...Blaming aircrew for following their ROE...? Wait Wait what is this? When did this ever happened? An F16 shot at an airliner and a Su-27 shot at the F16???? When was this? No, an F-16 ID'd and maybe escorted a Russian VVIP bird in international airspace. A Flanker escort pulled up on the Viper's wing on video and then checked away/formed up on the HVAA. The media said "OOOOH HE FLASHED HIS MISSILES OMFG!!!1!1!!11!" like they always do. Is defense.gov considered fake news? https://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/1220818/dod-official-sole-focus-in-iraq-syria-remains-on-isis/ The rest of the media was given information from Pentagon spokesman Jeff Davis. Not sure what CNN has to gain from lying about what type of missile was used. The general population probably doesn't even care. You could always contact DoD public affairs to see if there's any other media that's getting it wrong. :) 703-571-3343 Defense.gov doesn't support the CNN story or any of the other sensationalist silliness. At least where specific details that have been in question in this thread are concerned. :smilewink: Lord of Salt
RyboPops Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 Is defense.gov considered fake news? No, but nothing in any article that I've seen there specifies circumstances, weapons used, ranges, etc. The rest of the media was given information from Pentagon spokesman Jeff Davis. Not sure what CNN has to gain from lying about what type of missile was used. The general population probably doesn't even care. I don't know what they have to gain either, but they've gotten plenty of other things wrong, to include direct quotes. And I don't just mean CNN, they've all done it at one point or another. You could always contact DoD public affairs to see if there's any other media that's getting it wrong. :) 703-571-3343 I don't need to :music_whistling: 1
636_Castle Posted June 23, 2017 Author Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) I don't need to :music_whistling: :huh: But you're the one who refuses to believe Ryan Browne's report. If you're not on board, why not get to the bottom of it? It sounds like the Pentagon only planned on briefing the press. Without contacting the authors of the reports and/or Navy Capt. Jeff Davis, I don't know how you guys plan on learning if it was an AIM-9, or an AIM-120. Or what the pilot had for breakfast that morning. Edited June 23, 2017 by 636_Castle [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] How To Fix Your X-52's Rudder!
ED Team NineLine Posted June 23, 2017 ED Team Posted June 23, 2017 Ok, I think we know everything about this engagement, now its just going south. 1 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
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