smallberries Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 Is it just me? Am I the only person who really dislikes the OP all of a sudden?
VampireNZ Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 Yes it does! Try with Russian tanker, it is more stable. And here I thought it was me, darn thing disconnects all the time. maybe I will try the Russian tanker...boost my morale a little! Vampire
frixon28 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 And here I thought it was me, darn thing disconnects all the time. maybe I will try the Russian tanker...boost my morale a little! Go for it! I made a tanker drag mission with the tankers and it was great pratice, 3 1/2 hour mission though, but great pratice and very satisfying! Much easier than in the A-10!
wernst Posted August 26, 2017 Posted August 26, 2017 (edited) all credit to my teamate Shkval, I'm almost at lvl 3 :p It’s a nice job . . . done with the aid of some video edit? Look at the moment just before the refueling probe gets in final contact with the drogue basket. There is always an unnatural time skip (jump) from the moment when the probe is very close to the center of the basket (but not yet in contact) to the final (snap in) contact. The procedure to let the probe snapping into the drogue basket is of course the most difficult and time consuming procedure of air refueling. But just this (sometimes awfully long) time from the moment the probe is very close to the center of the basket to the moment when it really snaps in is missing in all levels. One example can also be seen clearly from outside view at 1:41. Nonetheless flying in very close formation with another aircraft needs much skill especially when “wake turbulence” is considered. It’s impressive to see is how fast the pilot gets in sync to the ideal refueling position and stays stable there, regardless in which (crazy) manner he approaches the tanker. But here again, I have some difficulties to understand another observation in the video. When probe is in final contact with the basket there is some strange dislocation between the center of the basket and the tip of the probe. Even considering the perspective the center hole of the basket and the tip of the probe should stay more or less one above the other. Attached are 3 images were a strange dislocation is visible. (taken from video 1:37, 1:50, 2:14) What is it? While I’am sure about my first observation (jump in the video) I don’t want to speculate here for the reasons behind my second observations. Maybe I'm seeing ghosts here. Can somebody comment? Edited August 26, 2017 by wernst grammar
3rd Wing - Raiden Posted August 26, 2017 Posted August 26, 2017 I know the pilot well, and all I can say is "he really is that good". No special editing in order to dupe anyone.
razo+r Posted August 26, 2017 Posted August 26, 2017 the last level would be taking fuel from a KC-135 at night either with rolls or inverted.
wernst Posted August 26, 2017 Posted August 26, 2017 I know the pilot well, and all I can say is "he really is that good". No special editing in order to dupe anyone. And all I can say for sure is that there is an unnatural time jump (more than clearly visible) from probe being very close to the center of the basket (but not yet in contact) to the final (snap in) contact. Seamlessly, unnaturally, no smooth cinematic transition as a true live action would show. Not even a professional editor will see here this less professional cut. It’s not really "dupe", but let’s say: "Shorten an awful long period of trying to immediate success in order not to bother the audience with lengthy scenery".
Harke Posted August 26, 2017 Author Posted August 26, 2017 I can assure he's not trying for a long time, he don't even wait for the drag to be fully deployed :p
wernst Posted August 26, 2017 Posted August 26, 2017 I can assure he's not trying for a long time, he don't even wait for the drag to be fully deployed :p ok., but what about the more than clearly visible jump with each contact? If this is not a time jump, what is it? Why is the video just jumping here? It would be interesting to see this "magic moment" when probe meets basket hole, smooth and slowly. But this magic moment is missing.
3rd Wing - Raiden Posted August 26, 2017 Posted August 26, 2017 Maybe come to see us when you pass by. He'll do you a live demo.
wernst Posted August 26, 2017 Posted August 26, 2017 Maybe come to see us when you pass by. He'll do you a live demo. Thanks for the invitation. Is it France? Great, even better. But still I like to get my simple questions answered first. Why time jumps? Don’t you see these jumps?
Azrayen Posted August 26, 2017 Posted August 26, 2017 Did you try to refuel yourself, wernst? The "jumps" are not time-related, but regular DCS code side effect. ;)
wernst Posted August 26, 2017 Posted August 26, 2017 Did you try to refuel yourself, wernst? The "jumps" are not time-related, but regular DCS code side effect. ;) yes, I did refuelling myself and in mission hectic I wasn't aware of that jump. As I didn't save my track I foolishly was looking at Shkval KO-06's video only. Yes, it's coding. When the probe is positioned almost to the center of the basket the basket seems to "grab" the probe and immediately fix it to the center - there is the jump. Question answered. No reason to suspect brilliant skills.
3rd Wing - Raiden Posted August 26, 2017 Posted August 26, 2017 Yes in France. You are most welcome :-)
wernst Posted August 27, 2017 Posted August 27, 2017 some troll inside :D Good that you letting us know how you did it. I wonder why I was obviously the only one (from the numerous applauding audience) who had doubts. But I was wrong in the sense that I was assuming your are smart in video editing. No, your solution was even smarter. Bots. It’s another example for bots and fake news - fake aviation news.
jojo Posted August 27, 2017 Posted August 27, 2017 This thread is becoming even more funny :megalol: Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
RomaniaK Posted August 27, 2017 Posted August 27, 2017 Good that you letting us know how you did it. I wonder why I was obviously the only one (from the numerous applauding audience) who had doubts. But I was wrong in the sense that I was assuming your are smart in video editing. No, your solution was even smarter. Bots. It’s another example for bots and fake news - fake aviation news. i really hope it is sarcasm. :music_whistling:
Harke Posted August 27, 2017 Author Posted August 27, 2017 Good that you letting us know how you did it. I wonder why I was obviously the only one (from the numerous applauding audience) who had doubts. But I was wrong in the sense that I was assuming your are smart in video editing. No, your solution was even smarter. Bots. It’s another example for bots and fake news - fake aviation news. :doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:
Joni Posted August 27, 2017 Posted August 27, 2017 some troll inside :D WHAT??? WHAT??? So I've been worshiping this guy for weeks based on an edited video???? This is not funny at all... I even started thinking there was something wrong with me for not being able to do what he "did". :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
myHelljumper Posted August 27, 2017 Posted August 27, 2017 WHAT??? WHAT??? So I've been worshiping this guy for weeks based on an edited video???? This is not funny at all... I even started thinking there was something wrong with me for not being able to do what he "did". :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: I hope it's sarcasms. Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA
Harke Posted August 27, 2017 Author Posted August 27, 2017 WHAT??? WHAT??? So I've been worshiping this guy for weeks based on an edited video???? This is not funny at all... I even started thinking there was something wrong with me for not being able to do what he "did". :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: since this second video is a troll, something might really be wrong with you :joystick:
Joni Posted August 27, 2017 Posted August 27, 2017 So you do fly like god then? Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
Harke Posted August 27, 2017 Author Posted August 27, 2017 1- not me, my mate 2- yes he fly like a god... I hate him ^^
3rd Wing - Raiden Posted August 27, 2017 Posted August 27, 2017 Here a few tips to spot the troll : - You cannot have cockpit view on a bot flight. - You cannot force a bot to refuel inverted - As well as doing barel rolls or aileron rolls or whatever while refueling With that said, all the fancy maneuvers in external view while refueling can't have been done by a bot. The same applies with acrobatics in cockpit view. Obvious right?
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