Edit a Flight model!

[Ghostrida9]

Ok, just came up wit a idea that sound a lil bit mad but maybe, it is possible !

 

here we go:

I know that there's a way to flight any plane wit any cockpit of the flyeables, for example, flight tha F4 Phantom wit the A-10 Cockpit and Flight model, only problem then woud be, that the F4 (or any other plane wit tha A-10 cockpit etc) would fly very slow, so is there a way to edit the Maximum speed and maximum payload weight and something like that?? so if "yes" , then we could fly the F4 wit his maximum speed (something around mach 2) but wit tha A-10 cockpit..:joystick:

 

anyone got an idea???

[britgliderpilot]

Ok, just came up wit a idea that sound a lil bit mad but maybe, it is possible !

 

here we go:

I know that there's a way to flight any plane wit any cockpit of the flyeables, for example, flight tha F4 Phantom wit the A-10 Cockpit and Flight model, only problem then woud be, that the F4 (or any other plane wit tha A-10 cockpit etc) would fly very slow, so is there a way to edit the Maximum speed and maximum payload weight and something like that?? so if "yes" , then we could fly the F4 wit his maximum speed (something around mach 2) but wit tha A-10 cockpit..:joystick:

 

anyone got an idea???

 

. . . . if it was that simple, it'd have been done ;)

 

 

You can't edit the flight models, it's hidden in the code. Not user-editable.

 

Changing values in the MeInit generally changes the way the Mission Editor works - so you could set waypoints for the maximum speed greater than the A-10 can achieve, and load it up to a maximum weight greater than normal.

 

But despite all that . . . . it's still an A-10, there's no getting around that.

[golfsierra2]

probably one could mess around with the meinit.xml file.

 

See the example from this file:

 

<Plane CLSID="{C17483D6-2911-408C-B57B-1839E4CD0528}" Cannon="yes" EmptyWeight="50000" HumanCockpit="no" MaxFuelWeight="50000" MaxHeight="13500" MaxSpeed="2300.4" MaxTakeOffWeight="126400" Name="Tu-22M3" Rate="100" Shape="tu-22" WingSpan="34.28" WorldID="25" singleInFlight="yes">

 

Seems that the max parameters for fuel, speed and others are defined by this file.

[Ghostrida9]

hmm still sad, but maybe some anotha thing that'll work, so which weapons can I use when I flight the F-18 for example wit the Su-27 cockpit?? or mig 29 cockpit??

 

LGB's

Freefall bombs, Snakeyes, CBU's, Rocket launchers

Amraams, Sidewinders

Harpoon, AGM-65

 

??

[Prophet]

I wonder if with the CLSID generator, if we can create new entries for the flyable 'non-flyables'. And then edit the above?

[Ghostrida9]

"I wonder if with the CLSID generator, if we can create new entries for the flyable 'non-flyables'. And then edit the above?"

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If that would work then'll jump out tha window n back!!!! Flight model editin, Wing sweep for tha F-14:yay: :blink:

[golfsierra2]

hmm still sad, but maybe some anotha thing that'll work, so which weapons can I use when I flight the F-18 for example wit the Su-27 cockpit?? or mig 29 cockpit??

 

LGB's

Freefall bombs, Snakeyes, CBU's, Rocket launchers

Amraams, Sidewinders

Harpoon, AGM-65

 

??

 

If you just want to change the weapons load, it would be easier and more safe to use LOPE (Lock On Pylon Editor). See http://www.checksix-fr.com/ for the download.

[britgliderpilot]

Seems that the max parameters for fuel, speed and others are defined by this file.

 

They are the maximum that you can set in the Mission Editor. They don't affect the flight model.

 

 

Max fuel is max fuel at 100%.

 

Max speed - well that's to stop you putting in a value of Mach 10 and creating a flightplan outside the aircraft's capabilities.

 

Weight - to stop you overloading the aircraft.

 

 

They have NO effect on the flight model!

 

 

As for which weapons you can use, that most depends on the capabilities of the flight model you're using. The A-10 doesn't have radar, let alone ground radar, so things like AMRAAM and Harpoon are straight out.

 

LGBs I believe are clunky, TV-guided bombs I'm not sure about. Mavericks yes, Sidewinders yes, rocket pods yes.

 

 

IIRC creating new CLSIDs for aircraft doesn't work because there's no code to call that CLSID. That's all a bit murky, though . . . .

[Pilotasso]

Editing the flight model would enable yet one more way to cheat online.

Neither it would improve the realism either.

[Alfa]

IIRC creating new CLSIDs for aircraft doesn't work because there's no code to call that CLSID. That's all a bit murky, though . . . .

 

Nothing murky - the code for each aircraft(..ship and vehicule) is linked to a particular CLSID in the lockon.exe, so you are right that generating a new one and stating that for a usermade aircraft entry in the meinit.xml won't work :)

 

- JJ.

[golfsierra2]

Nothing murky - the code for each aircraft(..ship and vehicule) is linked to a particular CLSID in the lockon.exe, so you are right that generating a new one and stating that for a usermade aircraft entry in the meinit.xml won't work :)

 

- JJ.

 

I thought so. Is there a chance that ED at sometime will allow this interaction between the lockon.exe and the meinit.xml to be manipulated by an add-on (if this works), provided that certain parts of the lockon.exe source code will be published ?

[Groove]

provided that certain parts of the lockon.exe source code will be published

 

:D

[Alfa]

I thought so. Is there a chance that ED at sometime will allow this interaction between the lockon.exe and the meinit.xml to be manipulated by an add-on (if this works), provided that certain parts of the lockon.exe source code will be published ?

 

I cannot answer that, but I think it is pretty safe to say that access to the source code won't be made available in any form :) .

 

There is a possibility to extract some parameters to external lua scripts though - it wouldn't allow for actual additions or "clonings", but perhaps the ability to alter an existing entry beyond what is currently possible.

 

But whether or not this figures in ED's plans is another matter - I don't know and even if I did I wouldn't be able to tell you (NDA) :) .

 

- JJ.

[golfsierra2]

Let's hope the best for the future to come.

 

Nobody thought of something like TacView being introduced at all only two years ago. :thumbup:

[Alfa]

Let's hope the best for the future to come.

 

Always :)

 

- JJ.

[Mizzy]

Personally speaking, I would like the FMs left to ED engineers, not the community!

 

They have a much better understading of all that stuff than we do ;)

 

Mizzy

[golfsierra2]

Personally speaking, I would like the FMs left to ED engineers, not the community!

 

They have a much better understading of all that stuff than we do ;)

 

Mizzy

 

You know, there once was a simple command line game, where you could set some basic parameters for a dragster, like air pressure, tire size, car weight, spoiler settings etc. Then you typed 'run', and the little program calculated the max speed over a quarter mile and if the car made it at all without exploding. That was fun for a while- but that was loooooooooong ago :shifty:

[Cosmonaut]

Editing the flight model would enable yet one more way to cheat online.

Neither it would improve the realism either.

 

You know I used to edit FM's for M$FS2002 and once I made a P51 Mustang sustain mach 1.5 :D . Imagine the kind of UFO's you'd see if we were allowed to alter LO's FMs .. :alien:

[golfsierra2]

You know I used to edit FM's for M$FS2002 and once I made a F51 Mustang sustain mach 1.5 :D . Imagine the kind of UFO's you'd see if we were allowed to alter LO's FMs .. :alien:

 

"A hovering SU33 at 20 000 ft slowly turning her nose towards you - no radar blip on your scope, the AIM-9 finds no target - damn stealth mode - then the SU blazes her load of R-77 towards you - eject-eject- eject !!"

 

Is it this you have in mind ? :lol:

[EricJ]

Given some people, wouldn't be stretching it too much...

 

But yeah, the code is pretty stringent, edit one single value in the lockon.exe and it's unusable. Like britgliderpilot hinted at, it's just not something that has been done successfully. As far as clunkiness vis a vis A-10s and LGBs...? Nah pretty nice actually:

 

http://562.50megs.com/LOMAC/Tracks/A10samhunt.zip

 

Too easy.... ;)

[uhoh7]

If you want to play with FMs buy MS. It's been a great step forward to make this impossible---the reason why il2 and LO are fun online. It's an even playing field.