Htc vive or oculus rift

[danielkarlssondk]

Hi guys! I been reading about vr gaming and so on.. And Im thinking about to buy the vive but Im not sure.

I heard that the rift is mouch better than the vive in dcs but I really like the room scale idea and the controllers for the vive, that you can move around and stuff. I Will also upgrade my graphics card from a gtx 760 to a 1070 so I dont think there will be no problems with that.

What should I get? The rift or vive.

Does the rift have controllers aswell?

[dburne]

The Rift has great controllers, which many would argue are better than the Vive's. The Touch controllers along with two sensors ( which now come in the new Oculus bundle), do a great job. The Vive is working on some new controllers called Knuckles, don't think there is an ETA on those yet.

 

Now the Vive does do larger room scale better, but the Rift does a decent size room scale pretty darn good. My play around is around 10 ft x 12 ft and I have no problems.

And of course seated experiences are very good.

 

One thing with the Rift though, you will need some good USB 3.0 ports. You can use the compatibility checker on the Oculus website and it will warn you if your ports may not be up to par. I added an Inateck USB 3.0 powered PCIe card for mine.

 

So both Vive and Rift are very good. Vive a little more pricey, but does larger room scale better. Both have SDE ( screen door effect ), I understand the Rift's is slightly better than the Vive's.

 

I have been gaming with a Rift since January, and absolutely love it - in fact I have not gamed on my monitor since.

Edited October 31, 2017 by dburne

[remi]

Just wait for the PIMAX 8k display. It will be 10x better than anything you can get with Oculus or Vive.

[dburne]

Just wait for the PIMAX 8k display. It will be 10x better than anything you can get with Oculus or Vive.

 

Back before I ordered my Rift early this year, I had decided I was going to wait till the next generation device came out. Finally after reading all the positives from folks here and on other forums who had one, I decided to throw caution to the wind and ordered it. This when the price was much higher. I am so glad I did, and have enjoyed it on almost a daily basis since then. Also my flight simming time increased by a huge margin.

 

Pimax is making some good promises from a marketing standpoint, but that is what it is at this time. Results for the retail device, and how it does with DCS and other flight sims for that matter, remain to be seen. And no guarantee of how long that might take.

 

So yes one can hold off for a while and see how everything shakes out with this upcoming device ( first one was not all that much a success), or can go ahead and dip a toe into VR with the current devices that are out there now and proven - namely Rift and Vive arguably the big two - and enjoy it in the meantime.

 

For me, there are just too many question on the new upcoming Pimax units, but I will keep an eye on reports as I continue to enjoy and waiting to see what comes from the big two going forward.

[Mango]

You could be waiting a long time for Pimax for a long time, and the Oculus bundle had a great price right now (bird in hand, and all that).

 

I'm extremely happy with my Rift, and wouldn't be disappointed even if a superior product comes out in the next year or two.

 

I haven't tried Vive, but heard it's a little heavier. The Rift is incredibly light and comfortable, especially if I'm wearing contact lenses rather than glasses.

[remi]

I think it's stupid to buy a first generation device, when higher resolution displays are right around the corner.

 

Being an early-adopter is usually a waste of money. It's not an investment when you simply waiting will provide a higher quality device for same price or cheaper.

 

I'm not saying that PIMAX will be great, I'm just saying that if higher resolution devices are this close to reality, it makes more sense to just wait. Let's see what HTC does with the next product.

 

And who knows, maybe scaling a 1440p image to a 4k screen is a better way to achieve higher resolution than just increasing the display resolution without scaling? Maybe PIMAX is onto something?

[dburne]

I think it's stupid to buy a first generation device, when higher resolution displays are right around the corner.

 

Being an early-adopter is usually a waste of money. It's not an investment when you simply waiting will provide a higher quality device for same price or cheaper.

 

 

I was an early adopter and I certainly don't feel I was being stupid, nor do I feel it was a waste of any of my money. I game ( mainly flight sim ) far more since getting my Rift than I ever did before.

 

In reality, one could always say well there will be a better device coming in the next generation...

 

It is simply if he wants to go ahead and get into VR now, go Rift or Vive. If he wants to wait for an unknown amount of time to get something better, then go for that as well.

Yes current VR has some shortcomings and these are very well known. Enough to make an educated decision on when one wants to go VR.

 

He was simply asking for advice between the two - Rift and Vive.

Edited October 31, 2017 by dburne

[Chivas]

I think it's stupid to buy a first generation device, when higher resolution displays are right around the corner.

 

Being an early-adopter is usually a waste of money. It's not an investment when you simply waiting will provide a higher quality device for same price or cheaper.

 

I'm not saying that PIMAX will be great, I'm just saying that if higher resolution devices are this close to reality, it makes more sense to just wait. Let's see what HTC does with the next product.

 

And who knows, maybe scaling a 1440p image to a 4k screen is a better way to achieve higher resolution than just increasing the display resolution without scaling? Maybe PIMAX is onto something?

 

I think its stupid to buy a second generation device, when higher resolution third generation hardware will follow soon after the second generation devises. :smilewink:

I'm interested to see the specs of the second generation Rift etc which should be out around the same time frame as the PIMAX, and other's hardware. I doubt very much the huge Oculus VR team has been sitting on their hands over the last year or so. The first generation Rift was marginally better and cheaper than the Vive, especially for flight sims, but I will buy whatever second generation VR hardware that best suits the software I plan to run.

[remi]

I think its stupid to buy a second generation device, when higher resolution third generation hardware will follow soon after the second generation devises. :smilewink:

I'm interested to see the specs of the second generation Rift etc which should be out around the same time frame as the PIMAX, and other's hardware. I doubt very much the huge Oculus VR team has been sitting on their hands over the last year or so. The first generation Rift was marginally better and cheaper than the Vive, especially for flight sims, but I will buy whatever second generation VR hardware that best suits the software I plan to run.

 

Third generation would probably be 3-4 years after second generation is out, when it'll only be a few months to a year before we get second generation.

[remi]

He was simply asking for advice between the two - Rift and Vive.

 

And I'm saying he shouldn't listen to the bad advice of the early adopters in this thread when they say he should buy a 1st gen Vive or Rift.

 

It's bad advice to recommend going out and buying a 1st generation VR device. It is just bad advice, and you all should own up to it.

 

Similarly, now is a horrible time to buy a 1080ti when the next nVidia card is expected in the next 6-9 months.

[Lensman]

And I'm saying he shouldn't listen to the bad advice of the early adopters in this thread when they say he should buy a 1st gen Vive or Rift.

 

It's bad advice to recommend going out and buying a 1st generation VR device. It is just bad advice, and you all should own up to it.

 

Similarly, now is a horrible time to buy a 1080ti when the next nVidia card is expected in the next 6-9 months.

 

Just because the 1080ti is 'out of date' doesn't suddenly make it poorer graphics card. As the price goes down with the release of the next generation I will probably upgrade my 980 and enjoy the increased performance.

I guess if one is really flush, then buy all the latest kit at a premium price, I can't afford too.

[dburne]

And I'm saying he shouldn't listen to the bad advice of the early adopters in this thread when they say he should buy a 1st gen Vive or Rift.

 

 

Well fine , I think you are throwing out bad advice. He asked about first ( current ) generation.

But whatever.

 

Which VR headset do you own?

[Fab]

I think it's stupid to buy a first generation device, when higher resolution displays are right around the corner.

 

Being an early-adopter is usually a waste of money. It's not an investment when you simply waiting will provide a higher quality device for same price or cheaper.

 

I'm not saying that PIMAX will be great, I'm just saying that if higher resolution devices are this close to reality, it makes more sense to just wait. Let's see what HTC does with the next product.

 

And who knows, maybe scaling a 1440p image to a 4k screen is a better way to achieve higher resolution than just increasing the display resolution without scaling? Maybe PIMAX is onto something?

 

Do you own a rift or vive ?

[Strong05]

Can't really go wrong with either (I've used both). My advice is to wait until black Friday to purchase (I would be surprised if they don't have some kind of sale). Right now I think the rift is a better value. I feel the Vive has the superior overall product, but you will need two things for it:

1. get a thinner cushion or shave the oem one. (this greatly increases clarity and fov).

2. Vive never should have sold without the delux audio strap, and it's an additional $100 which is kind of rip off imo.

 

The wild card is to wait for a couple of months for the new samsung microsoft headset to see if it gets steam compatibility, or for the pimax.

[danielkarlssondk]

Oh I didnt know that the rift had controllers, how are they and hows the room scale? Can you turn around 360 or do you have to buy an extra sensor for it? Right now I feel like the rift is on the nummer one list than the vive.

[dburne]

Oh I didnt know that the rift had controllers, how are they and hows the room scale? Can you turn around 360 or do you have to buy an extra sensor for it? Right now I feel like the rift is on the nummer one list than the vive.

 

Oh yes the Touch controllers it now comes bundled with, are fantastic IMHO. I love them and they opened up a whole new world of gaming for me. It also comes with some pretty cool games with activation of the Touch controllers.

 

Yes my two sensors I can turn around with great tracking.

 

I would say moderate size room scale they are great. For say a very large room scale Vive probably has the advantage. Adding a third sensor to the Rift would really help in the large room scale as well.

 

I run mine with the two sensors and have no issues in tracking for what I do.

[danielkarlssondk]

Wow okay! Well I will probably order the rift pretty soon! I just need to read and watch some more videos about it :)

[remi]

Do you own a rift or vive ?

 

I've used both. They're not ready for primetime.

[dburne]

Wow okay! Well I will probably order the rift pretty soon! I just need to read and watch some more videos about it :)

 

:thumbup:

 

I was absolute blown away the first time I fired up DCS and loaded up the Spitfire in VR. And I am still very amazed every time I do.

 

There is at least for me, a huge difference in looking at the game on a 2d monitor versus virtually being in the game with a VR headset, looking all around and everything being pretty much full size. It really spoiled any 2d gaming for me, I no longer have any games on my system that do not have VR support.

Plus some of the shooter games I have with Touch support are a blast as well.

 

I probably spend around 10-20 hours a week gaming in VR, and having a blast. Certainly the resolution is currently not where we would like it to be.

I too look forward to what the future will bring for VR, but really enjoying it for what it is currently as well.

[lasvideo]

I own them both and have no regrets. Every time I use them it is awesome. From flight sims to artistic experiences to Doom BFG. Dont listen to folks that either dont own them or dont know how to appreciate them. It continues to be a "WOW" experience for me.

Edited October 31, 2017 by lasvideo

[danielkarlssondk]

I own them both and have no regrets. Every time I use them it is awesome. From flight sims to artistic experiences to Doom BGF. Dont listen to folks that either dont own them or dont know how to appreciate them. It continues to be a "WOW" experience for me.

Which one do you prefer? Vive or Rift

[lasvideo]

Which one do you prefer? Vive or Rift

 

I prefer Vive for the fun I can have with room scale games like Doom BFG.

 

I prefer Rift for flying in DCS. It has a slightly smaller SDE (screen door effect).

[danielkarlssondk]

I have a gtx 760 2gbVram and that card doesnt work in VR so I have to upgrade it, Im thinking of a msi 1070 but at the same time I want to save some money so what about the 1060? Do you guys think is good for VR in dcs world?

[hansangb]

And I'm saying he shouldn't listen to the bad advice of the early adopters in this thread when they say he should buy a 1st gen Vive or Rift.

 

It's bad advice to recommend going out and buying a 1st generation VR device. It is just bad advice, and you all should own up to it.

 

Similarly, now is a horrible time to buy a 1080ti when the next nVidia card is expected in the next 6-9 months.

 

 

Remi,

Isn't it also bad advice to recommend buying something that isn't even out yet? That *already* has a poor record with the previous "4K" product? Let's be fair when giving advice.

 

Pimax has promise, but who knows how much of it will be delivered. I took a chance and backed it because the promise is there.

 

Waiting for 2nd gen is solid advice except that you can replace "2nd gen" with 3rd gen, 4th gen ad nauseum. I mean it's the same for CPUs and GPUs, no? Don't by the 980, 980Ti is coming out; don't by 980Ti the 1080 is coming out; don't by 1080 because 1080Ti is coming out; don't by 1080Ti because Volta is coming out.

 

At some point, you have to just enjoy flying in DCS. That's what I chose to do.

 

To the OP: Even *right* now, I would get the Rift. W/O any regrets.

[dburne]

I have a gtx 760 2gbVram and that card doesnt work in VR so I have to upgrade it, Im thinking of a msi 1070 but at the same time I want to save some money so what about the 1060? Do you guys think is good for VR in dcs world?

 

You will get by, however I would mention DCS is pretty demanding in VR, even with a 1080 Ti.

 

For VR, I would get as much card as you can.

 

What CPU, motherboard and ram are you running?