Some info cross posted from the Russian Forums

[GGTharos]

MBot I don't agree with you :)

 

If you like to fly ONE plane, the F4AF for example, is for you.

I for one want to fly online, against live opposition who are NOT flying the same plane as I.

 

That's what interests me - and not in the Airquake fashion either ... due to LO's small world and other things, we cannot have proper air combat done, and this is what facilitates most of the airquake stuff.

 

An attempt at 'goal oeriented missions' has been made many times, but it is relatively fruitless in terms of simulating realistic missions - the best attempt was CAW, but it drove the admins nuts due to lack of features for supporting such a project.

 

Anyway I don't want to write as much as you did, hehe - I disagree with your sentinment that 'thinking in pairs' is somehow wrong. I agree with what you said about additions that need be make the sim more realistic.

 

But again - I don't care to fly against non-thinking, AI opponents ...

[Pilotasso]

But again - I don't care to fly against non-thinking, AI opponents ...

 

I care, Infact I have never EVER even atarted a campaign. the only things I did in solo were to try out my profiles, or FPS enhancements.

 

I find AI tasteless to this point.

[Highwayman-Ed]

ED have got a real big can of worms here without adding anything new, and I think this is where BS is going to be the starting point.

 

I get Mbot's point... Focus is a good thing, but then GGTharos has an equally valid point that if you're flying against someone, you would rather have them in an opposing airframe.

 

ED already have a whole heap of work on their hands because of the multiple airframes for a start. There are F-15 jocks and SU-27 fans, and keeping just those two airframes up to what everyone wants would be hard enough, but mixing that up with ground pounders is where the real trouble starts.

 

Flying a ground pounder can be a bore sometimes because things are predicatable. You think the AI for your wingman or that SU-27 your intercepting is bad... try a convoy of trucks that has a fixed route, and when attacked, just carry on at a sedate 40kmph to their next waypoint with no attempt to take cover or evade you.

 

I really do have my fingers crossed for BS to help out a little, even a tiny bit with this, because at least for the ground pounders, this wouldn't just be an add on, this would be a whole new sim.

[Weta43]

I can't get any pages past this one (3) on this thread to open so if this is discussed in the pages I haven't read - oh well ... & hopefuly I can open them later to see & see th eresponce to the question.

 

On the first page the Su-25T is in the "2" list (the "hopefuly some time soon we'll get the info we need" list) - not in the "3" list (the "we already have the info we need" list), yet the Su-25T is one of the planes for "Tank Killers" no?

 

If it's in the "not yet" list, & the 2 planes that were for the project after "Tank Killers" are in the "good to go" list, is Tank Killers" still next off the rank? (Is "slow progress" being made on that & faster progress on another project for after LOBS?)

[Trident]

MBot I don't agree with you :)

 

If you like to fly ONE plane, the F4AF for example, is for you.

I for one want to fly online, against live opposition who are NOT flying the same plane as I.

 

I concur, a pair of aircraft up to Ka-50 standards should be completely feasible for a completely new sim (compared to an add-on). LOMAC took the better part of 4 years to see the light of day, that should be ample time.

[Witchking]

ooh god ! I very much agree. Ground combat in lOMAC FC is soo dry. I am sorry but there is no AI...apart from following that predetermined path. THis is why I said infantry would be good as any game like comanche 4 inspite of being arcade is sooo much fun as the AI respond...they notice a missile and maneover (I spelled it wrong I know...) ...But it was soo amazingly fun becos of the infantry and the vehicles which were smart enough to hide behind trees or buildings.

 

ED! making a new mission editor is soo much pivotal and I am happy that you understand that. We can wait longer if only you can provide us with a better ground AI. That will be enough to bring life into the sim that can keep us busy till your next project. let me be honest...I keep checking this board because I am used to it since 4 years now. I have not played FC since a year and a half now....It wasn't on any of my PC's. The reason being the dry world. One thing I guess I realised as I get busy with school and stuff is ..I rather prefer playing something which is fun than something which is dry. Lomac honestly is dry in the AI department. The only fun I used to have is landing the Su 25T, practicing cannon firing...and so on...apart from that....ground attack was like "Missile shoot....fireball....so what...." .."next target...same effect...it was just standing there." Whereas when I played comanche 4 or apache assault arcade sims...I loved the only aspect that there are infantry running and shooting with AK's at you....you have to be careful and take care as the igla is sooo lethal considering he could move around.

[Pilotasso]

errr hmmm, the new mission editor is not going to give the AI any more brains, just more functionality than simply placing them on the map.

 

If you want to have enemies that react realisticaly you have to come online. ;)

[Highwayman-Ed]

errr hmmm, the new mission editor is not going to give the AI any more brains, just more functionality than simply placing them on the map.

 

If you want to have enemies that react realisticaly you have to come online. ;)

 

I agree, you need to re-install FC and get online.

 

The Ground AI won't be any smarter granted, but when you have to account for hiding from that MIG-29 that's been stalking you for the last 20 minutes whilst you fly through the valleys at 50ft off the deck, the game get's a whole lot more interesting.

 

Add to that that some of the mission editors out there (and credit to you guys :thumbup: ) have worked their socks off to make the target areas a little more 'alive' and flying an A-10 online is a whole new ball game.

 

It's still not perfect, but with BS' much speculated about new Editor, however good it may be, and Ground AI that has been re-worked to fit with the KA-50, we ground pounders should be in for a treat come release day...

[GGTharos]

It's still not perfect, but with BS' much speculated about new Editor, however good it may be, and Ground AI that has been re-worked to fit with the KA-50, we ground pounders should be in for a treat come release day...

 

Does a good dose of lead and high explosive qualify as a 'treat'? ... :gun_smilie:

[Witchking]

welll...all I can say is " ED! Surprise me!" :D

 

I know that a mission editor does NOT mean a new AI from ground vehicles. I meant that the AI is a equally high priority. I guess ED are taking it a step at a time which is better than no steps at all .. so I am pretty sure ED will tweak the AI..though it may not be radical.

[Highwayman-Ed]

Does a good dose of lead and high explosive qualify as a 'treat'? ... :gun_smilie:

 

If you can track my hog, I'll let you 'treat' it... :thumbup:

[GGTharos]

It's not me ... :D

[enigma6584]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. In Lock On I always fly Su-25 or MiG-29A and all my online buddys do aswell. Flying to older jets has just so much more charm.

 

I agree. I have always enjoyed flying the Mig-29A but usually the problem for me is that the mission makers for the servers never have this plane in mission.

 

With respect to the list of potential aircraft ED may work on in future projects...please oh please give me an AH-64A!:pilotfly:

[Highwayman-Ed]

With respect to the list of potential aircraft ED may work on in future projects...please oh please give me an AH-64A!:pilotfly:

 

Oh man, I hear that... I know it's a twin seater, yada, yada, yada... but I've just gotta get a western helo in there... Even if it's a OH-58 or a UH-60, I don't care...!

[MBot]

Just out of curiosity I was browsing around a bit and saw on eflightmanuals.com that they are looking to obtain the F-14A tactical manual. So has it been declassified ? If yes we can expect it available sooner or later I guess.

 

Sounds positive to me. Should the manual be made available someone just has to make a Tomcat sim sooner or later :)

[Olgerd]

Just out of curiosity I was browsing around a bit and saw on eflightmanuals.com that they are looking to obtain the F-14A tactical manual. So has it been declassified ? If yes we can expect it available sooner or later I guess.

 

Sounds positive to me. Should the manual be made available someone just has to make a Tomcat sim sooner or later :)

 

I've noticed this too. I hope that they really will get it.

Recently there was the real fight on ebay.com for f-14 tactical employment checklist (just 58 pages). The winning bid was near 212 USD.

[phant]

Nobody speak about F-4E/F Phantom? :cry:

 

I think it is a very nice chosen (and realistic: see Turkey ;)) for the Lock-On theatre.

 

And don't say: "it's too old" or "are still classified". :D

 

Bye

Phant

[Prophet]

I would love to see the F4 and F5. They may be old, but they are sweet looking.