L-39beeratros Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 (edited) Hello, I am in need of an upgrade on my PC for DCS, however my budget isn't really that big. I am aiming for at least 60 fps on highest possible settings for given setup, 1080p (for now, maybe 4k in next year). My question is, would new GPU and RAM (it's cheap) be sufficent? I was thinking about GTX 1070TI or 1080 and 32GB DDR3. If I had big budget I'd also get a new motherboard with CPU (probably i5-8600K) and 32GB DDR4 RAM, but i'd be happy to not have to make this big upgrade. My setup now: i5-4430 (4 x 3.0 GHz) Gigabyte R9 270X 2GB Asus H87 MB 2x4GB DDR3 1600MHz 500W PSU 27" 1080p 60Hz screen I am now around 30fps on low-to-mid settings on Caucasus map :( Thanks for any advice! Edited November 9, 2017 by L-39beeratros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simicro Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Hello, For 4K you need a 1080Ti to have high/ultra settings with good fps. For 2K a 1070Ti or 1080 is perfect. Regarding your CPU, try to aim for at least 4 Ghz after overcloking. As I understand, for DCS, number of cores does not matter (yet). 16 Gb of RAM recommended. Even if no date is set yet, DCS 2.5 is supposed to be "close" according to a recent post by a community manager. At this time there is no hardware specs yet. You can wait for DCS 2.5 to be released first before upgrading. If you want to upgrade rapidly, keep in mind DCS 2.5 to avoid deception or multiple upgrades in a short time frame. - Tony - . My Reviews: Oilfield Campaign - Argo Campaign l My Mission: Huey Ramp Start Voice-Over New! . Microsoft Force Feedback 2 base modded with a CH Fighterstick - VKB Sim T-Rudder Mk.IV Pedals . Intel i5 4670K @4.3 GHz - 32 Gb DDR3 - MSI GTX 1080 - ASUS PG278QR 27" 2K @165 Hz G-Sync Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-39beeratros Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 Thank you very much! looks like I'll wait for 2.5 and user experience with it. I'm not really into overclocking but maybe I won't have other choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladman Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 One of my squad mates has been running 4K on a 1080 for a while now with more than acceptable FPS. No need for a Ti. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simicro Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I'm not really into overclocking but maybe I won't have other choice... Me too I was not into overclocking but basic overclocking is actually rather easy. In recent BIOS (I bought my rig late 2013), you just need to select the speed in a menu, restart your PC and see if is stable. I don't know if your i5-4430 (which does not have a "K") can be overclocked easily with the procedure I described above. - Tony - . My Reviews: Oilfield Campaign - Argo Campaign l My Mission: Huey Ramp Start Voice-Over New! . Microsoft Force Feedback 2 base modded with a CH Fighterstick - VKB Sim T-Rudder Mk.IV Pedals . Intel i5 4670K @4.3 GHz - 32 Gb DDR3 - MSI GTX 1080 - ASUS PG278QR 27" 2K @165 Hz G-Sync Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 If you want to play with HD, a 1070 is enough and works well with 2K too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-39beeratros Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 If you want to play with HD, a 1070 is enough and works well with 2K too. fullHD for now, but I want this upgrade to be future-proof so 4K is very possible in future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konovalov Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 I don't know if your i5-4430 (which does not have a "K") can be overclocked easily with the procedure I described above. Nope he cannot overclock this chip unless he plays with the FSB of 100Mhz which is not a good idea. Given that the CPU is going to be s bottleneck with cards like the 1070 and above. DCS loves clock speed of 4Ghz plus so my advise is that if DCS is your thing, then save up for a totally new rig. Intel i7-8700K | Asus Maximus X Formula | Corsair Vengeance 32GB DDR4 3200MHz | Gainward Phoenix GTX1070 GLH | Samsung 960 EVO NVMe 1 x 250GB OS & 1 x 500GB Games | Corsair RM750x 750W | Corsair Carbide Air 540| Win10 | Dell 27" 1440p 60Hz | Custom water loop: CPU EK-Supremacy EVO, GPU EK-GTX JetStream - Acetal+Nickel & Backplate, Radiator EK-Coolstream PE 360, Pump & Res EK-XRES 140 Revo D5, Fans 3 x EK-Vardar 120mm & 2 x Corsair ML140 140mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-39beeratros Posted November 11, 2017 Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 I think I'll upgrade in two stages: - first stage will be new GPU - probably 1070ti or 1080 later this year (with my current setup - 3.2 GHz "turbo" CPU being bottleneck shouldn't be THAT bad, or will it? - second stage new motherboard, CPU and RAM next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cibit Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 I run a 1080 with the rift and have to adapt my settings to suit. I am pretty sure my CPU is now the bottleneck. BUT I can run at 60fps@1080 with everything maxxed out See my sig for system specs. I am looking at upgrading and my wife is footing the bill as my Christmas present. After doing some research and consulting with Bitmaster I will be going for the 8600K with a Asus Prime A Z370 and 12Gb 3200 DDR4 RAM. This is going to be around 640GBP and will fit into my exsisting PC with a custom W/C loop A Cheaper alternative which still has very high clock speed is https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Core-I3-7350K-4-20-GHz/dp/B01NCEJN24/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1510405102&sr=8-7&keywords=i3+cpu paired with a cheaper Z270 mobo and new RAM would be a budget build with great performance for DCS stick a 1070 or 1080 in when funds allow and you should be quite well future proofed Or for a few quid extra the new Coffee lake i3 with 4 cores https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0759FWJDK/ref=psdc_430515031_t3_B01NCEJN24 But you still pay a premium for a Z370 board Good luck i5 8600k@5.2Ghz, Asus Prime A Z370, 32Gb DDR4 3000, GTX1080 SC, Oculus Rift CV1, Modded TM Warthog Modded X52 Collective, Jetseat, W10 Pro 64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Adding JTAC Guide //My Vid's//229th AHB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simicro Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Hello Cibit, I wish I had a wife like yours :lol: I mean for understanding a bit our hobby and making gifts related to it ;) Is it the Rift that is more demanding? Because if your monitor is Full HD @ 60 Hz, you are already at the maximum since apparently you get solid 60 fps. I run a 1080 with the rift and have to adapt my settings to suit. I am pretty sure my CPU is now the bottleneck. BUT I can run at 60fps@1080 with everything maxxed out See my sig for system specs. I am looking at upgrading and my wife is footing the bill as my Christmas present. After doing some research and consulting with Bitmaster I will be going for the 8600K with a Asus Prime A Z370 and 12Gb 3200 DDR4 RAM. This is going to be around 640GBP and will fit into my exsisting PC with a custom W/C loop A Cheaper alternative which still has very high clock speed is https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Core-I3-7350K-4-20-GHz/dp/B01NCEJN24/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1510405102&sr=8-7&keywords=i3+cpu paired with a cheaper Z270 mobo and new RAM would be a budget build with great performance for DCS stick a 1070 or 1080 in when funds allow and you should be quite well future proofed Or for a few quid extra the new Coffee lake i3 with 4 cores https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0759FWJDK/ref=psdc_430515031_t3_B01NCEJN24 But you still pay a premium for a Z370 board Good luck - Tony - . My Reviews: Oilfield Campaign - Argo Campaign l My Mission: Huey Ramp Start Voice-Over New! . Microsoft Force Feedback 2 base modded with a CH Fighterstick - VKB Sim T-Rudder Mk.IV Pedals . Intel i5 4670K @4.3 GHz - 32 Gb DDR3 - MSI GTX 1080 - ASUS PG278QR 27" 2K @165 Hz G-Sync Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cibit Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Hi mate, the rift is very demanding, it uses quite a bit of CPU power and I think this reduces what is available for DCS. I am going to try the affinity core tweak thats mentioned in another thread. Also my wife has 2 horses which I hardly ever complain about which cost a lot to keep, so its my turn now:P i5 8600k@5.2Ghz, Asus Prime A Z370, 32Gb DDR4 3000, GTX1080 SC, Oculus Rift CV1, Modded TM Warthog Modded X52 Collective, Jetseat, W10 Pro 64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Adding JTAC Guide //My Vid's//229th AHB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simicro Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 All right Cibit, I understand for the rift... and for the horses too ;) - Tony - . My Reviews: Oilfield Campaign - Argo Campaign l My Mission: Huey Ramp Start Voice-Over New! . Microsoft Force Feedback 2 base modded with a CH Fighterstick - VKB Sim T-Rudder Mk.IV Pedals . Intel i5 4670K @4.3 GHz - 32 Gb DDR3 - MSI GTX 1080 - ASUS PG278QR 27" 2K @165 Hz G-Sync Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon_ Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Why 2? Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina1 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Hi Cibit, not to derail the thread, but I caught this in your sig. Modded X52 Collective Would love to hear more about this. (I have an X52 lying around, and fly the choppers a lot). You have link for this? MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cibit Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Why 2? Don't ask me mate, I don't understand either:doh: Hi Cibit, not to derail the thread, but I caught this in your sig. Modded X52 Collective Would love to hear more about this. (I have an X52 lying around, and fly the choppers a lot). You have link for this? Sure, you still have access to the 229th forums ? there are a few examples on there which I copied or if I can find it, some pics on here Actually these are real old ones before I revamped things with a wheelstand pro https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2844625&postcount=40 1 i5 8600k@5.2Ghz, Asus Prime A Z370, 32Gb DDR4 3000, GTX1080 SC, Oculus Rift CV1, Modded TM Warthog Modded X52 Collective, Jetseat, W10 Pro 64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Adding JTAC Guide //My Vid's//229th AHB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 I run a 1080 with the rift and have to adapt my settings to suit. I am pretty sure my CPU is now the bottleneck. BUT I can run at 60fps@1080 with everything maxxed out See my sig for system specs. I am looking at upgrading and my wife is footing the bill as my Christmas present. After doing some research and consulting with Bitmaster I will be going for the 8600K with a Asus Prime A Z370 and 12Gb 3200 DDR4 RAM. This is going to be around 640GBP and will fit into my exsisting PC with a custom W/C loop A Cheaper alternative which still has very high clock speed is https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Core-I3-7350K-4-20-GHz/dp/B01NCEJN24/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1510405102&sr=8-7&keywords=i3+cpu paired with a cheaper Z270 mobo and new RAM would be a budget build with great performance for DCS stick a 1070 or 1080 in when funds allow and you should be quite well future proofed Or for a few quid extra the new Coffee lake i3 with 4 cores https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0759FWJDK/ref=psdc_430515031_t3_B01NCEJN24 But you still pay a premium for a Z370 board Good luck 16GB, not 12 !! For the horses ! :megalol: Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cibit Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Oops my bad, yeah 16 Gb :music_whistling: i5 8600k@5.2Ghz, Asus Prime A Z370, 32Gb DDR4 3000, GTX1080 SC, Oculus Rift CV1, Modded TM Warthog Modded X52 Collective, Jetseat, W10 Pro 64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Adding JTAC Guide //My Vid's//229th AHB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Oops my bad, yeah 16 Gb :music_whistling: Your old parts still makes a very nice Living Room PC or kids pc !!! As long as you leave 1 lousy SSD in there it will be up to any task in the living room ;) Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina1 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I run a 1080 with the rift and have to adapt my settings to suit. I am pretty sure my CPU is now the bottleneck. BUT I can run at 60fps@1080 with everything maxxed out See my sig for system specs. I am looking at upgrading and my wife is footing the bill as my Christmas present. After doing some research and consulting with Bitmaster I will be going for the 8600K with a Asus Prime A Z370 and 12Gb 3200 DDR4 RAM. This is going to be around 640GBP and will fit into my exsisting PC with a custom W/C loop A Cheaper alternative which still has very high clock speed is https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Core-I3-7350K-4-20-GHz/dp/B01NCEJN24/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1510405102&sr=8-7&keywords=i3+cpu paired with a cheaper Z270 mobo and new RAM would be a budget build with great performance for DCS stick a 1070 or 1080 in when funds allow and you should be quite well future proofed Or for a few quid extra the new Coffee lake i3 with 4 cores https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0759FWJDK/ref=psdc_430515031_t3_B01NCEJN24 But you still pay a premium for a Z370 board Good luck Don't ask me mate, I don't understand either:doh: Sure, you still have access to the 229th forums ? there are a few examples on there which I copied or if I can find it, some pics on here Actually these are real old ones before I revamped things with a wheelstand pro https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2844625&postcount=40 I do have access, and that is clever! thanks M8. :thumbup: MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cibit Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Your old parts still makes a very nice Living Room PC or kids pc !!! As long as you leave 1 lousy SSD in there it will be up to any task in the living room ;) This i5 build actually belongs to my son. I borrowed it because it has built in USB 3.0 (for the rift) he has my old 920 i7 with the watercooling setup. That is what is really being replaced. The guts of this build will go to replace my wife's old core2duo. I wish I could find a use for the Zalman cpu cooler that will be obsolete unless I can somehow mod it for the 920. I am starting to wonder if the 8th gen and z370 the best build for my budget. i5 7600K is probably better value for money especially given the discrepancies in price between 370/270 mobo's and spend the savings on more ram or an M.2 drive. with my 360 rad and D5 vario I should be able to push 5Ghz without too much issue. Does the 270 chipset accept 3200 DDR4? i5 8600k@5.2Ghz, Asus Prime A Z370, 32Gb DDR4 3000, GTX1080 SC, Oculus Rift CV1, Modded TM Warthog Modded X52 Collective, Jetseat, W10 Pro 64 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Adding JTAC Guide //My Vid's//229th AHB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitMaster Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 This i5 build actually belongs to my son. I borrowed it because it has built in USB 3.0 (for the rift) he has my old 920 i7 with the watercooling setup. That is what is really being replaced. The guts of this build will go to replace my wife's old core2duo. I wish I could find a use for the Zalman cpu cooler that will be obsolete unless I can somehow mod it for the 920. I am starting to wonder if the 8th gen and z370 the best build for my budget. i5 7600K is probably better value for money especially given the discrepancies in price between 370/270 mobo's and spend the savings on more ram or an M.2 drive. with my 360 rad and D5 vario I should be able to push 5Ghz without too much issue. Does the 270 chipset accept 3200 DDR4? easily doing 3600 XMP on mine, been to 4133 LoL..but dont ask the voltage they needed to boot into 10. kidding aside, iirc the actual limit is 4133, any higher needs a raise of the FSB. Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Asus 1080ti EK-waterblock - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus PG278Q 27" QHD Gsync 144Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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