Mirage radar CONSTANTLY losing lock on low flying targets!!!

[D4n]

FIX this asap guys, makes the M2000 module UNUSABLE CURRENTLY! I paid 60 $ for this module, not just to stop being able to fly it!

[razo+r]

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3329181#post3329181

[will-]

How can you prove its just the mirage and just the game itself? I'm presuming your talking about MP? I can't stand MP lag trying to shoot anything and scoring a kill is very challenging.

 

https://clips.twitch.tv/CloudyStupidCarabeefRuleFive

[D4n]

Yes let's solve the issue in this thread guys: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3329290#post3329290

[myHelljumper]

Can you provide the circumstances where you lost lock ? A track would help to identify the problem you are having.

 

And PLEASE post constructive messages for us to help you, "I PAID LOTS OF BUCKS FOR BROKEN MODULE FIX ASAP" is not constructive.

 

While I agree that the radar is a bit too sensitive to notching, it's not a big problem and it in no way prevent its use against other fighter aircrafts.

[D4n]

I was at 2000-4000 feet, bandit came nearly head on to me, he was at 500 feet, 3 km away from me or so.

[myHelljumper]

I was at 2000-4000 feet, bandit came nearly head on to me, he was at 500 feet, 3 km away from me or so.

 

I can't help without a track/tacview/video.

[D4n]

Will gladly post track file next time this happens. Thanks for helping guys.

[myHelljumper]

Keep in mind that look down is hard for radars, losing lock is to be expected in some conditions.

[D4n]

hmmmm even when target is a Harrier or F-15 (I know slow flying helicopters could disappear cause of ground clutter, but fast moving jets??) ?

[kreisch]

hmmmm even when target is a Harrier or F-15 (I know slow flying helicopters could disappear cause of ground clutter, but fast moving jets??) ?

Every target will disappear, it does not depend on the speed of it, but the relative speed to you as radar emitter.

 

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[jojo]

hmmmm even when target is a Harrier or F-15 (I know slow flying helicopters could disappear cause of ground clutter, but fast moving jets??) ?

 

It's a defensive tactic you can use too, see F-15C with AMRAAM Vs MiG 29S

[D4n]

Yeah but in that video 120C loses track because he flared a lot right? (I mean 120C has insane high performance seeker in DCS...)

[myHelljumper]

Flares are irrelevant to radar guided missiles.....

[kreisch]

Yeah but in that video 120C loses track because he flared a lot right? (I mean 120C has insane high performance seeker in DCS...)

Please don't get me wrong but look for notching, you need to understand the simple basics before you shout for errors - maybe the radar is currently to sensible for this but no one from us can evaluate this properly. Additionally keep in mind that the f15 got one of the best radars at all

 

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[Dagger71]

You have to be ready to switch to special mode (I prefer BH) if you are locking a lower target as the radar will 99/100 loose the lower target forcing you to re-acquire.

 

When I killed you yesterday while you tried to notch me, I knew I'd loose radar lock, so immediately switch to special to get the kill. I have my finger on the special mode button every single time I fire a 530. It's so ridiculous that it happens this bad that it should actually be in the manual as a procedure for firing 530s.

 

This will not always work, as just as often, loosing lock will happen a second or two before missile impact.

 

HOWEVER: Since last patch everyone is complaining about not even seeing targets ... Some are at 12 o clock, same alt and even VISIBLE through cockpit but radar sees nothing. Got much much much worse since last patch. Pretty soon if this keeps up the Mirage will only effective when carrying Magic 2s.

[jojo]

Yeah but in that video 120C loses track because he flared a lot right? (I mean 120C has insane high performance seeker in DCS...)

 

You can try by yourself. Set up a solo mission with Su 27 full of R-27R/ER and you will see how you can notch shooter radar to loose his Fox 1 missiles.

 

Then do the same Vs F-15 full of AIM-120 or MiG 29S with R-77.

When you're shooting, the fighter can't see you, so he can't engage you.

When he shoots, you can try to notch the missile. When you see the "M" on RWR the missile is within 10Nm.

 

Radar decoys are chaffs not flares (IR). And you have plenty in Mirage 2000C (at least 112).

By default program 1 releases burst of 6 chaffs.

[D4n]

Lol meant chaff

[D4n]

Lol Dagger I think you hit me and I ejected (not "killed" me) but ok. What does BH stand for?

Edited December 18, 2017 by DanielNL

[jojo]

You have to be ready to switch to special mode (I prefer BH) if you are locking a lower target as the radar will 99/100 loose the lower target forcing you to re-acquire.

 

When I killed you yesterday while you tried to notch me, I knew I'd loose radar lock, so immediately switch to special to get the kill. I have my finger on the special mode button every single time I fire a 530. It's so ridiculous that it happens this bad that it should actually be in the manual as a procedure for firing 530s.

 

This will not always work, as just as often, loosing lock will happen a second or two before missile impact.

 

HOWEVER: Since last patch everyone is complaining about not even seeing targets ... Some are at 12 o clock, same alt and even VISIBLE through cockpit but radar sees nothing. Got much much much worse since last patch. Pretty soon if this keeps up the Mirage will only effective when carrying Magic 2s.

 

The thing is the radar hasn't been touched during the last updates.

Are you experiencing a significant difference yourself ? :huh:

[myHelljumper]

The thing is the radar hasn't been touched during the last updates.

Are you experiencing a significant difference yourself ? :huh:

 

I did not experience any changes to the radar in the recent updates.

[microvax]

Tbh I dont really know why everyone is still patronizing this.

 

Zeus confirmed himself waaaaay back that there is a bug with the antenna movement that only ED can fix.

 

The comment it was impossible to employ the mirage is an massive hyperbole as well, but loosing hot contact, non maneuvering, within 30nm against the sky pure hot is simply not correct either. :D

 

It will get fixed at some point I hope. :)

[jojo]

Tbh I dont really know why everyone is still patronizing this.

 

Zeus confirmed himself waaaaay back that there is a bug with the antenna movement that only ED can fix.

 

The comment it was impossible to employ the mirage is an massive hyperbole as well, but loosing hot contact, non maneuvering, within 30nm against the sky pure hot is simply not correct either. :D

 

It will get fixed at some point I hope. :)

 

Off course, but it never happens (to me) in single player...

So where is the bug ?

[myHelljumper]

The comment it was impossible to employ the mirage is an massive hyperbole as well, but loosing hot contact, non maneuvering, within 30nm against the sky pure hot is simply not correct either. :D

 

Can't recall it ever happening to me... In look down maybe but not in look up.

 

Edit: Not denying that there might be a bug or that the radar needs improvements, but I really don't loose locks that often....

Edited December 19, 2017 by myHelljumper

[D4n]

Interesting!!! It seems lock is lost ONLY when I am at about 20-25000 feet and lock an enemy nearly 45° downwards, I bet it is the 45° hillsides that reflect radar back! (as in created a 90° angle surface) Just locked a low flyer while I was at only 12000 feet and lower, didn't lose lock! :)