Chances of getting a mid 1990's JA 37D

[Freeroamer]

I was doing a bit of looking around and I found this. I'm interested. What are the chances of getting a more modern version of the Viggin? From what I've been reading the JA37D started hitting squadrons in 1993.

 

[razo+r]

Some systems that are in the JAS are also to be found in the Gripen and thus classiefied.

 

We're maybe getting an AI model of the JAS though.

[Freeroamer]

We'll have to see.

[frosen]

That would be awesome!

 

But I guess it's as much work for Heatblur creating the fighter version as it was for SAAB building it back in the 70s/80s (The work of "converting" the AJ 37 into the JA 37 was underestimated grossly).

[Freeroamer]

I mean much of the systems such as the AMRAAMS can be copy-pasted from other aircraft, then it may also be possible to get Saab onboard for some assistance with the research.

[Schmidtfire]

Some systems that are in the JAS are also to be found in the Gripen and thus classiefied. We're maybe getting an AI model of the JAS though.

 

Well technically, most RWR's and ECM systems in DCS are also very very classified. And A-10C, while extremely accurate has (from what I have read) around 80-90% simulation of the real systems.

 

So if there is only a couple of classified systems, it might be doable. Actually I think that an early Gripen also would be possible. There are plenty of information, even online you can find studies about it's screen symbology etc.

 

But an older JA37 is more likely. Or a Draken :)

[QuiGon]

Well, the development of a JA-37 or even a Gripen for DCS is pretty much up to Saab. Heatblur is definitely interested:

:D

[Retnek]

Stumbled over this:

 

 

That's the upgraded recon-Viggen - a dream to see dedicated recon planes and the corresponding procedures realized in DCS. :pilotfly:

[Farks]

The JA 37 was practically a new aircraft compared to the other Viggen versions, the airframe was more or less the only thing they had in common. So a making a JA 37 for DCS would mean developing it from scratch.

[Kozality]

Some systems that are in the JAS are also to be found in the Gripen and thus classiefied.

 

We're maybe getting an AI model of the JAS though.

 

I was thinking of this post when I came across this:"

And against the Saab Gripen and Dassault Rafale?

Gripen is a bit of an unknown quantity against modern air superiority machines because it takes a fundamentally different approach to survivability. Whilst in traditional DACT exercises, Typhoon pilots have often referred to the Gripen as ‘cannon-fodder’ due to its inferior thrust-to-weight ratio, speed, agility and armament, in the few cases where the Gripen has ‘come to play’ with its full electronic warfare capabilities, it has given Typhoons very nasty shocks. Against the Su-35S, Gripen would rely on the cutting edge EW capabilities which Saab builds the Gripen (especially the new E/F) around to hide the aircraft from the sensors of the Russian jets in much the same way as the Raptor relies on x-band stealth. These EW capabilities are so highly classified that there is simply no way to assess their effectiveness in the public domain. Having said that, RAF pilots who I have talked to with experience of the Saab fighter’s EW teeth first hand say that the ability of the aircraft to get alarmingly close without detection thanks entirely to EW is very impressive."

 

 

From: https://hushkit.net/2016/03/17/su-35-versus-typhoon-analysis-from-rusis-justin-bronk/

[Freeroamer]

The JA 37 was practically a new aircraft compared to the other Viggen versions, the airframe was more or less the only thing they had in common. So a making a JA 37 for DCS would mean developing it from scratch.

 

Not as far as I know.

[Farks]

Not as far as I know.

 

Well, I do know. The JA 37 was a whole new development in terms of radar, avionics and other on-board systems. It was an almost completely digital aircraft compared to the other Viggen versions.

 

In fact, the leap between the JA 37 and the AJ/SF/SH 37 is greater than the leap between the JA 37 and the JAS 39.

[Freeroamer]

I found an interesting image that might be useful to getting us our dream

 

[dFlow]

woudl be fun I think, but I believe that heatblur wouldn't create another version of the 'same' aircraft (opposed to having planned it in the first place - see f-14 a / b).

 

I think it would be best if we stick to the 'good old' viggen, which is a beast in my eye ;)

[Freeroamer]

You do have a point. However, at least a fighter variant would be nice, which from research seems to have been equipped with the Robot71 which is basically a Skyflash, this along with the integrated gun and radar would make it somewhat equivalent to a mirage in terms of weapons.

[Kozality]

I wonder how much fun it would actually be in terms of a dogfight though. While Saab made some aerodynamic and performance improvements, nothing was done to the intakes or engine for the most part, and so it would have the same high-AoA restrictions as the AJS37.

 

In some ways I see the JA37 as being similar to the Tornado F3: Decent long-range weapon system, but comprised up close.

[dFlow]

For me it would be attractive as well. I believe this machine would be quite potent and nearly a 4th gen-fighter. Nevertheless it would be interesting how the selling would be done? Would it be a standalone plugin? Would it be a 'giveaway' for all those who own the AJS?

And even then, it would appear that DCS would grow into some sort of IL2, which had an immense number of the same plane - in all variants possible.

 

However it would add another fighter to a higher level, which is indeed good - a mirage needs some opponents i believe ;)

[Buzzles]

What are the chances of getting a more modern version of the Viggin?

 

Likley to be zero chance from HB. Maybe non-zero if you want to develop one yourself.

[BravoYankee4]

I wonder how much fun it would actually be in terms of a dogfight though. While Saab made some aerodynamic and performance improvements, nothing was done to the intakes or engine for the most part, and so it would have the same high-AoA restrictions as the AJS37.

 

In some ways I see the JA37 as being similar to the Tornado F3: Decent long-range weapon system, but comprised up close.

 

Well the RM8B engine is quite different from the RM8A, and re-designed with the compressor stalls in mind.

[QuiGon]

Didn't they want to make an AI JA-37?

[Skyracer]

Well we are getting an AI JA-35

 

[Fri13]

There are plenty of information, even online you can find studies about it's screen symbology etc.

 

It doesn't matter what information there is out. Developers are required legally to have contract with the manufacturer for the aircraft and its systems. ED requires this as it is a legal nightmare if they would go to release something the copyrights etc owning party is not with them...

[QuiGon]

Well we are getting an AI JA-35

Yes, that is clear. But before they announced the AI JA-35 they talked about making a AI JA-37 already. I wonder if this is still going to happen?

 

Edit: Nvm, a quick forum search answered my question: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3287520&postcount=10

[dFlow]

but ... don't get me wrong, it would be muuuuuch better if it wasn't an AI JA.

What's my purpose of an AI if I'm flying online?

It's the cockpit which is tempting ;)

 

With the Draken it's the same, I want to fly this thing, not watch it fly ...

[QuiGon]

but ... don't get me wrong, it would be muuuuuch better if it wasn't an AI JA.

What's my purpose of an AI if I'm flying online?

It's the cockpit which is tempting ;)

 

With the Draken it's the same, I want to fly this thing, not watch it fly ...

 

Sure, but creating a full DCS module requires a lot of work, time and money, unlike an AI aircraft.