[REPORTED] Su-27 and Su-33 still have "start engines" in the controls.

[D4n]

Since engines cannot be started together in the real aircraft, please remove the line "start both engines - RShift+Home". It confuses new DCS players.

[opps]

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/products/planes/flanker_fc/index.php?PAGEN_1=4

 

>Engines

>The powerplant of the Su-27 includes two АЛ-31Ф (AL-31F) engines, each of which has its own >turbine starter ГТДЭ-117 (GTDE-117). Because both engine have a separate starter, both individual and simultaneous starting of both

>engines is possible.

 

ED seems to have their information about this.

Where does your information come from?

Edited March 23, 2018 by opps

[D4n]

Ah ok. Then just for Su-33. The guy in other thread wrote for Su-33 starting procedure is starting engines one by one.

[opps]

Official Manual is best source for needed knowledge in DCS. People in the forum is helpful too but often tend to make mistakes.

Edited March 23, 2018 by opps

[D4n]

Ok then it is only for Su-27, not Su-33.

[opps]

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/products/planes/flanker_fc/index.php?PAGEN_1=4

 

>Engines

>The powerplant of the Su-27 includes two АЛ-31Ф (AL-31F) engines, each of which has its own >turbine starter ГТДЭ-117 (GTDE-117). Because both engine have a separate starter, both individual and simultaneous starting of both

>engines is possible.

 

ED seems to have their information about this.

Where does your information come from?

Edited March 23, 2018 by opps

[D4n]

YES I AM SERIOUS, the "start engines" hotkey on Su-33 should then be removed.

[opps]

Why should be removed only for Su-33?

 

ED clearly states BOTH Su-27 and Su-33 can start engines simultaneously.

 

Do you think "the guy in other thread" is more reliable than ED?

[D4n]

Ok ok but there STILL is ONE hotkey set in the controls to start BOTH engines which DOES NOT work!! (RShift+home) So all ED has to do is remove that control!

[opps]

AHH ok ok now I think I understand your claiming.

 

Rshift+Home should start both engine simultaneously but in latest 2.5 it does nothing.

 

Then you claim it should be removed because it is not working. Right?

Edited March 23, 2018 by opps

[esb77]

Keep in mind that

 

"Standard Operating Procedure" is not the same thing as

 

"everything the plane can do."

 

Planes and pilot training cost a lot of money. A great deal of SOP is designed to prevent the need to prematurely replace or repair.

 

A single engine start is likely to be a bit easier on the electrical system, possibly on some other components as well. So in normal operation, it makes sense to do the startup in the manner that produces the least component wear.

 

However, in cases where you don't particularly care about aircraft longevity, say for example scrambling to intercept incoming attack aircraft that are trying to drop a bomb on you before you take off, then doing things like dual starts make a lot of sense, even if it reduces the mean time to failure of some parts compared to SOP startup.

 

If the start both engines hotkey is not working, and the aircraft is capable of simultaneous engine start, the correct thing for ED to do is to fix the start both command, not to get rid of it.

 

 

Edit: It may also be part of the "arcade mode" control interface. Even the full fidelity modules like A-10C, and Ka-50 have the Home key startup option.

Edited March 23, 2018 by esb77

[Esac_mirmidon]

NO.

 

ED shouldnt remove RShift+home, they need to make it work.

[NineLine]

I have reported it, either remove it or make it work, thanks guys.

[D4n]

Then you claim it should be removed because it is not working. Right?

 

Correct! sorry