Drexx Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) Project: DCS Open Beta 2.5.0.15365 Type: Severe Imbalance Of Unit Status: not sure Reported: not sure Priority: Losing players over it (no one wants to play red) Summary: F15 is not accepting damage properly, or just plain has waaay to many hit points (no other plane acts this way) Description: This has been an ongoing problem in my server, I have threated at least 5-6 times to put F15 on red and I REALLY dont want to do that, kind of ruins the whole fun of blue verse red. F15 flys under me and my buddy, I fire all 4 mistral missles with at least a second in between so they wont blow each other up, and my buddy fired 3 more into the same F15, and 2 manpads on the ground also fire and every one of these missles hit the F15 (get a hit message from DCS events for each one), the F15 flys home smoking, like nothing happened. It is a serious balance problem, I waited a few patches and I dont see anything happening on this front, this REALLY needs to be looked at. update: the first 2 bait for the flares but the 5 that come after it..... come on.....first 2 hit around 1:20 then 1:55 3 more mistral missles hit, this has been happening all the time in 2.5 This is just 1 of many reports of stuff like this happening, I just witnessed this myself Video Proof something isnt right (this is from a replay): https://www.dropbox.com/s/ed0cwh3kb70y6gc/F15_getting_hit_at_least_5_times.mp4?dl=0 (download video for better quality, dropbox player makes everything fuzzy) Edited March 27, 2018 by Drexx Developer of DDCS MP Engine, dynamicdcs.com https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=208608 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMoGas Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 9 hits, very impressive! I have seen 4 hits without a kill myself. These were Aim9M's though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drag80 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Sometimes a single missile destroys F15. Sometimes many missiles cannot shoot it down. I think these variables are a part of simulation. I wont call it a BUG. It can happen in reality also as all the missiles have blast fragmentation war heads and depends how close the warhead detonates and damage accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxDelta Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Project: DCS Open Beta 2.5.0.15365 Type: Severe Imbalance Of Unit Status: not sure Reported: not sure Priority: Losing players over it (no one wants to play red) Summary: F15 is not accepting damage properly, or just plain has waaay to many hit points (no other plane acts this way) Description: This has been an ongoing problem in my server, I have threated at least 5-6 times to put F15 on red and I REALLY dont want to do that, kind of ruins the whole fun of blue verse red. F15 flys under me and my buddy, I fire all 4 mistral missles with at least a second in between so they wont blow each other up, and my buddy fired 3 more into the same F15, and 2 manpads on the ground also fire and every one of these missles hit the F15 (get a hit message from DCS events for each one), the F15 flys home smoking, like nothing happened. It is a serious balance problem, I waited a few patches and I dont see anything happening on this front, this REALLY needs to be looked at. This is just 1 of many reports of stuff like this happening, I just witnessed this myself I will try to get you more evidence of this. i agree, F15s damage model is ridiculously strong, i have so often seen F15 eating several missiles and not even smoking, and yes i am sure the missiles did hit. This issue kills the multiplayer experience, everytime REDs are attacking a base, BLUEs hop in 2 F15s goes head on and kills most REDs. my projects: https://www.sim-addons.com/ https://www.shapeways.com/shops/sim-addons-1 AV8B nozzle lever https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=233670 F18C fingerlifts https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=234747 F18C radar elevation https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=248080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemoen Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Sometimes a single missile destroys F15. Sometimes many missiles cannot shoot it down. I think these variables are a part of simulation. I wont call it a BUG. It can happen in reality also as all the missiles have blast fragmentation war heads and depends how close the warhead detonates and damage accordingly. There's been a clear trend lately and I think it warrants a look by the testers and devs. +1 Drexx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shabi Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 +1 on this Sent from my LG-H818 using Tapatalk Oculus CV1, i7 4790k @ stock, gtx 1080ti @ stock, 32gb PC3-19200 @ 2.4ghz, warthog & saitek pedals, razer tartarus chroma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nero.ger Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 can we change the topic to "a lot of Planes take a lot of missles" because its not just the F15 so +1 for look at the damagemodel 'controlling' the Ka50 feels like a discussion with the Autopilot and trim system about the flight direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScopeDope Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 can we change the topic to "a lot of Planes take a lot of missles" because its not just the F15 so +1 for look at the damagemodel +1 on this. Worst offenders are F-15, Mig21, and Mig29, harrier closely behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinslayer Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther494th Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 or can it be F15 pilots age good at dodging Missiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasAdlerauge Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 +1 for a look at the damage models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sslechta Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 There's at least a half dozen threads around the forums on this very subject. Just take a look around. Steve (Slick) ThrustMaster T.Flight Hotas X | TrackIR5 Pro | EVGA GTX 1070 | Win10 64-bit Professional | Dell Precision 7920 Workstation | 1 TB SSD | 128 GB Memory | Dual Intel Xeon Platinum 2.0 GHz 16 Core Processors (64 Total w/HT ON) | 24" Dell Monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
104th_Maverick Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 or can it be F15 pilots age good at dodging Missiles No its a legit issue that we are looking in to now, it started happening a few months ago on a small scale that affected a lot of aircraft but now its becoming much more of a problem, especially for the F-15. My best guess at this stage is its an issue with the net code syncing a players real time position with where the missile thinks the client is. Very often if you look behind you when a missile detonates you see it explode behind the aircraft as if it is hitting a 'ghost' model of where your aircraft was a split second before. We'll set up some internal tests to try and get it nailed down asap. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 104th Phoenix Wing Commander / Total Poser / Elitist / Hero / Chad www.104thPhoenix.com www.facebook.com/104thPhoenix My YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxDelta Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 +1 on this. Worst offenders are F-15, Mig21, and Mig29, harrier closely behind. i disagree regarding the harrier, my observation is that most of the time one missile hit kills the engine, as it has only one this is like a full kill my projects: https://www.sim-addons.com/ https://www.shapeways.com/shops/sim-addons-1 AV8B nozzle lever https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=233670 F18C fingerlifts https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=234747 F18C radar elevation https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=248080 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn1978 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 i disagree regarding the harrier, my observation is that most of the time one missile hit kills the engine, as it has only one this is like a full kill that's right not the only one but the worst one right now... here is just one example eagle took 2 solid hits 1 530 and 1 magik.... he even thought about turning on me.... but the 3rd missile out being my second missile finally did the job, now with my mirage a f15 looks and says boo and if not for calm cajoling from me she would run home as per her heritage (jokes, i dont go with that whole inaccurate french military joke stereotype, but was convenient here). consists of 2 1 min clips https://clips.twitch.tv/RoughRefinedPonyDogFace?tt_medium=creation https://clips.twitch.tv/LivelySquarePanImGlitch?tt_medium=creation [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]GrumpyFinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn1978 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) that's right not the only one but the worst one right now... here is just one example eagle took 2 solid hits 1 530 and 1 magik.... he even thought about turning on me.... but the 3rd missile out being my second Magik finally did the job. Now on the other hand with my mirage, a f15 looks and says boo and if not for calm cajoling from me she would run home as per her heritage (jokes, i dont go with that whole inaccurate french military joke stereotype, but was convenient here). consists of 2 1 min clips https://clips.twitch.tv/RoughRefinedPonyDogFace?tt_medium=creation https://clips.twitch.tv/LivelySquarePanImGlitch?tt_medium=creation got other examples too but right now i have time on my hands and also need a distraction so streams are long and i am lazy. DCS in VR might as well be a time warp BAHAHAHAHA Edited April 11, 2018 by finn1978 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]GrumpyFinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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