YoYo Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Thanks YoYo! You welcome :). Btw. On ADI is a brown colour, not black. Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogey Jammer Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Yep, AKS but..... another number :music_whistling:. AKS-3M or AKS-5 Why the cockpit guncam was preferred for training purpose ? I'll buy : МиГ-23МЛД & МЛА МиГ-27К МиГ-25 Mirage III F-4E any IJ plane 1950' Korea Dynamic campaign module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverStratos Posted May 6, 2018 Author Share Posted May 6, 2018 Btw. On ADI is a brown colour, not black. There are variations, some aircraft have them brown, some have them black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat155 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) Why the cockpit guncam was preferred for training purpose ? In order to evaluate how pilot is using gunsight for targeting, in combat situations those cameras will be removed in order to improve visibility. This was standard feature for almost all Soviets fighters and fighters-bombers.In almost every aircraft type exist this dualism, one small camera shooting through gunsight glass, and second bigger somewhere in aircraft's fuselage or wing, or in a small pod ( like in MiG-21 or Su-15 ). Radar had two kinds of screen's sleeve: short and long. Here on the picture with short variant on MiG-17PF. Edited May 6, 2018 by foxbat155 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argo Navis Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Foxbat, in your picture half of the rubber tube is actually missing. This is the typical museum example as I wrote above. You can see the metal tube onto which the rubber tube slides on. These pictures are from the same Mig-17PF. Originally this rubber tube was a long one. On the other hand, I have seen shorter and longer tubes but the differences weren't more than 3-4 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) From the top: Edited May 7, 2018 by YoYo Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Loadout info: The aircraft now can carry its intended weapons. All of these models are placeholders until the final ones are ready. Available weapons: 2 X NR-30 Autocannons (80 rounds each). 2 x R-3S (AA-2 Atoll) 2 to 4 ORO-57K rocket pods with 8 S-5 rockets per pod. 2 x FAB-50 Bomb 2 x OFAB-100M Bomb 2 x FAB-250M bomb 2 x PTB-400 fuel tank 2 x PTB-760 fuel tank Maybe PM version too? I need RS-2U / US ;D. Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmidtfire Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 All models are placeholders? From what I recall, these models on the list should already be in-game, fully working, good to go and and simulated :) R-3S (used by DCS: L39 and Mig-21bis) FAB-50 Bomb (Mig-15bis) OFAB-100M Bomb (Mig-15bis) Or maybe they are redoing/modifying them a bit for the MIG-19P? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat155 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) Foxbat, in your picture half of the rubber tube is actually missing. This is the typical museum example as I wrote above. You can see the metal tube onto which the rubber tube slides on. These pictures are from the same Mig-17PF. Originally this rubber tube was a long one. On the other hand, I have seen shorter and longer tubes but the differences weren't more than 3-4 inches. Well, in my opinion those are two different tubes. Take closer look: Not only few inches, cumbersome tube was foldable. Here on the picture full length: According weaponry, I think that few things are missing: RBK-250 in service from 1950, 8 subvariants with different submunition, RBS-100 ( RBS stand from: disposable bomb bundle ), kind of early MER with 3x30 kg bomb, in use from 1954. .....and many more examples of early Soviet's bombs and clusters. Edited May 7, 2018 by foxbat155 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Others missing FAB-250M-54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argo Navis Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) Well, it might look like that there are two different tubes, but there isn't. There are probably a lot of variations. In this image you can see that the rubber tube is attached to the metal one with a clamp. You can slide this rubber tube in and out on the metal one in order to make it somewhat comfortable for the pilot. The length of the metal differs widely. As I said I have seen shorter and longer ones. Edited May 7, 2018 by Argo Navis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argo Navis Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 In this image what you see there is the opening that was cut on the bottom of the tube in order to see some instruments while your face is against the tube. They attached an aluminium cover to it that keeps the rubber tube more rigid and doesn't let too much ambient light into the tube. This modification was not done in the factory. It was sort of "home made". You can even see in the other images in the link that the metal tube was cut into as well in order to accommodate this opening at the right place. Obviously this opening is not lined up in this image correctly. The rubber has shrunk and is in a bad condition. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3475837&postcount=30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat155 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 [ATTACH]184014[/ATTACH] In this image what you see there is the opening that was cut on the bottom of the tube in order to see some instruments while your face is against the tube. They attached an aluminium cover to it that keeps the rubber tube more rigid and doesn't let too much ambient light into the tube. This modification was not done in the factory. It was sort of "home made". No, wasn't "home made" because exist few photos from different aircrafts with this element ( different types MiG-15, MiG-17, Mig-19, from Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, USSR ). Well, it might look like that there are two different tubes, but there isn't. There are probably a lot of variations. And finally you get my point: existed few variations and developers are able choose most practical version from DCS point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guignol Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 GJ todo está aquí Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argo Navis Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Hello Foxbat, I said sort of home made. Believe me, had you seen the quality of this design you would have called it home made as well. I worked on a Mig-17PF for 2 years in a restoration project. A few parts went through my hands. The holes cut into these tubes/glare shields were cut literally with a pocket knife. This sort of a jerry-rigged solution is not something an engineer would come up with. Now picture this: parts made in a factory come off the assembly line then a guy comes with a hacksaw and a pocketknife and cuts holes into them. Doesn't make much sense. However, if it's a modification it does make sense. Ever heard of service bulletins issued by the manufacturer? In the Warsaw Pact almost every country had their own aircraft repair plant. Most of them were type specific. The one in Plovdiv, Bulgaria had an international contract to overhaul Mig-19s and 17s. For example the Hungarian Mig-17PFs and 19PMs had their major maintenance and overhaul work done by this facility even though the Hungarians also had their own plant to overhaul their own and other nations' aircraft but not these types. I don't know about other air forces but I wouldn't be surprised, if some of the other countries in the eastern block also sent their aircraft to Plovdiv. That might explain why you see the same solutions on different nations' aircraft. On the other hand, you might be right and the guy did show up with the pocket knife and carried out the mod in the factory just before aircraft delivery :shocking: . It is definitely cheaper than redesigning a part after all. existed few variations and developers are able choose most practical version from DCS point of view. I totally agree with you on that one, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbat155 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Maybe exist explanation for those crude work. Probably you know that Soviet's aircrafts had a lot of "biuletins", kind of small modernizations and improvements during service life. In most cases all small mechanical improvements were done locally during overhals. Soviets was only sending documentation to users. Maybe this strange element is one of this situations, and depending on place and priorities those works were done better or worse. Regarding that restoration, this was MiG-17PF number red 22 with RP-1?. Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argo Navis Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Sent you a PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoYo Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 (edited) Nice! Do You have ideas for repaints? :) and... Will it be in plans any campaign with this module? Edited May 10, 2018 by YoYo Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarabostes Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I suggest one...Romanian air force skin...please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akatsuki Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 Very nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigg Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 looks awesome :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maico249th Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 First Day Purchase. No Doubt. Razbam Rocks. No other words needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperEtendard Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Is that an S variant? or is the radar bulge masked by perspective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akatsuki Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 (edited) That’s clearly not a S! The nose is « thicker » and longer than the S and the pitot tube is on the right wing as on the S it’s in front of the nose. Edited May 13, 2018 by Akatsuki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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