IFF on early access?

[JNelson]

Are we getting some kind of IFF with the radar on early access?

[Beamscanner]

FYI, the radar will display HAFU (Hostile, Ambiguous, Friendly or Unknown) symbology if targets are

 

-designated L&S or DT2 (soft lock)

-under the cursor in LTWS

-hard locked in STT

-target is being tracked in TWS

 

As of now, the only one of those available is STT. And STT doesn't seem to work for more than 2 seconds right now anyway.

 

Raw hits (bricks) wont display if the target is friendly or not. That is unless ED is simulating a newer lot of the radar than I'm familiar with.

Edited May 13, 2018 by Beamscanner

[MrDieing]

Thats assuming that ED is actually simulating that. At the moment it is not simulated at all in DCS and all aircraft base it purely on the coalition the contact is in.

[Banzaiib]

Awww yeah, chaos in the skies. I remember when the IFF didn't work when the EA mirage was released... so many TK's :)

[QuiGon]

Thats assuming that ED is actually simulating that. At the moment it is not simulated at all in DCS and all aircraft base it purely on the coalition the contact is in.

This!

[Fri13]

As long we get even a cheated IFF version it is fine. Yes it is one of the most protected secrets the IFF codes just before nuclear weapons launch codes etc. But as the IFF principles are well known, it can be simulated (simulation doesn't mean everything needs to be perfection, only that the basic functions are there).

Eventually we should be getting a better radar simulations based fluid/sound simulation and then start to do more complex simulations than just "friend or foe".

[QuiGon]

As long we get even a cheated IFF version it is fine. Yes it is one of the most protected secrets the IFF codes just before nuclear weapons launch codes etc. But as the IFF principles are well known, it can be simulated (simulation doesn't mean everything needs to be perfection, only that the basic functions are there).

Eventually we should be getting a better radar simulations based fluid/sound simulation and then start to do more complex simulations than just "friend or foe".

I hope so. I made some proposals about this a few years ago: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=161240

[wilbur81]

NCTR?

 

FYI, the radar will display HAFU (Hostile, Ambiguous, Friendly or Unknown) symbology if targets are

 

-designated L&S or DT2 (soft lock)

-under the cursor in LTWS

-hard locked in STT

-target is being tracked in TWS

 

Will the simulated radar employ NCTR? Pretty sure I've read that the later model APG for "C" hornets do.

[Beamscanner]

Thats assuming that ED is actually simulating that. At the moment it is not simulated at all in DCS and all aircraft base it purely on the coalition the contact is in.

 

I'm perfectly fine with cheating the Mode 4/5 IFF simulation.. Its not like there much more to it than 'are you friendly or not'...

 

Will the simulated radar employ NCTR? Pretty sure I've read that the later model APG for "C" hornets do.

 

yes, but only in certain modes. For sure STT, and maybe the L&S (soft lock) track under certain conditions..

 

Wow, cool stuff. Could you elaborate more please?

 

 

HAFU is the only way to know if a target is friend or not. HAFU tracks can also be colored (if the color option is selected on the data sub-page) green for friendly, yellow for unknown or ambiguous, and red if hostile.

 

Tracks are automatically made "friendly" if they have the correct IFF response. Every track without the proper IFF response is made Unknown. The pilot has to manually alter tracks to make them "hostile" or "ambiguous" in the SA page

 

IFF information is also displayed on the top right of the radar attack page in small numbers representing the modes the current track is responding to.

 

 

Below you can see mode 4, 2, and mode S being displayed. The image is taken from a youtube video. The CRT display can raster red and green, but also both red and green to make a yellow icon. in this case we can see that its rastering both a green and a red icon for the IFF info, meaning that the true color being seen by the pilot is yellow. (IFF data is actually yellow, the shudder of the camera makes you only see either the green or the red raster of the CRT)

 

Those triangles are ALR-67 (RWR) tracks :) If flying a 'realistic' mission (no flankers on blue team/no eagles on red team, etc), these can help you associate radar returns with BLUFOR vs REDFOR emitters. (ie you have only raw hits on the radar, but directly above those raw hits you have a MIG-29 Radar on the same bearing)

 

If a track is made "Hostile" the TD box will rotate 90 degrees and a diamond (instead of a box) will be displayed in the HUD.

 

Edited May 14, 2018 by Beamscanner

[Knock-Knock]

Do we know more about IFF for EA, or if not implemented yet, when can we expect it?

Been looking around, but not been able to find anything.

[probad]

relax, you can find out for yourself tomorrow

[backspace340]

It's not in the version the Youtubers have had access to (and which we'll probably get tomorrow), made explicit by Crash Laobi here: https://youtu.be/L4QKUGqRStc

[Oceandar]

Good stuff in this thread, thanks alot. We need this kind of explanations otherwise as been said its gonna be alot of TK in MP.