Cold War 1947 - 1991

[=475FG= Dawger]

@alpenwolf

Server needs a good kick. Blue cannot spawn in present mission (Two Towns) Previous mission was the Hold the Line and blue could not spawn in there either except for the occasional helo. Odd behavior.

 

Thanks in advance.

[Alpenwolf]

34 minutes ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

@alpenwolf

Server needs a good kick. Blue cannot spawn in present mission (Two Towns) Previous mission was the Hold the Line and blue could not spawn in there either except for the occasional helo. Odd behavior.

 

Thanks in advance.

As as said earlier to Brown Floyd: Check out FAQ number 8 on the main post of this thread.

I'm currently at work (had to jump in) and have no access to the server. Sorry, folks. I know this sucks.

[=475FG= Dawger]

5 minutes ago, Alpenwolf said:

As as said earlier to Brown Floyd: Check out FAQ number 8 on the main post of this thread.

I'm currently at work (had to jump in) and have no access to the server. Sorry, folks. I know this sucks.

Roger. 

[Alpenwolf]

2 minutes ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

Roger. 

I'm trying to get hold of NaCH, but he's not answering his phone. He might be hanging around on TS and not paying attention to it. I could "activate" him to rotate the server. He'd know what I mean by that.

[Alpenwolf]

I just called my wife and had her rotate the server to Prince of Persia. Let me know if all worked out well, please.

[=475FG= Dawger]

1 hour ago, Alpenwolf said:

I just called my wife and had her rotate the server to Prince of Persia. Let me know if all worked out well, please.

Server looks packed so it must be good. 

[TeufelHunden]

I missed the Fishbed vs Tiger special event any chance you will be running that on another day?

[Alpenwolf]

3 hours ago, TeufelHunden said:

I missed the Fishbed vs Tiger special event any chance you will be running that on another day?

Sure, don't worry. I'll announce it here and the guys seem to do a good job at announcing the events on the Discord channel. Keep an eye on both.

[irgendjemand]

On 11/7/2021 at 1:58 PM, Alpenwolf said:

Sure, don't worry. I'll announce it here and the guys seem to do a good job at announcing the events on the Discord channel. Keep an eye on both.

Is there a CW discord?

 

[ConkersBFD]

26 minutes ago, irgendjemand said:

Is there a CW discord?

 

Unofficial CW Discord : https://discord.gg/xSbnr5Py

[Shadow KT]

@AlpenwolfM60 are drivable now.

[F16wannabe]

 

[Alpenwolf]

1 hour ago, Shadow KT said:

@AlpenwolfM60 are drivable now.

Yeah, it's been like that for 3 weeks and I have the tanks in some of my missions already

The new mission I'm working on will have them included against the T-55.

[Alpenwolf]

1 hour ago, F16wannabe said:

 

I remember that one! The MiG-21 pilot was communicating on SRS and saying he's about to take 2 Viggens with one shot
I was doing some bombing myself in the Fishbed.

Good bombing! Just make sure you hit the buildings marked and shown in the briefing images to get the job done.

[irgendjemand]

3 hours ago, ConkersBFD said:

Unofficial CW Discord : https://discord.gg/xSbnr5Py

thanks

[F16wannabe]

1 hour ago, Alpenwolf said:

I remember that one! The MiG-21 pilot was communicating on SRS and saying he's about to take 2 Viggens with one shot
I was doing some bombing myself in the Fishbed.

Good bombing! Just make sure you hit the buildings marked and shown in the briefing images to get the job done.

You're not my real dad, don't tell me what to bomb

[Alpenwolf]

1 minute ago, F16wannabe said:

You're not my real dad, don't tell me what to bomb

My man, Tricky Tricker! I guess, OG's do what they want. You earned it

[rossmum]

On 11/7/2021 at 1:38 AM, =475FG= Dawger said:

Yea, we are well aware.

The airplane is snapping wings at 8.5 G symmetrical, which puts the operational G limit at 5.6 G in clean configuration.

Not much of a fighter.

Someone at ED doesn't know how to read the limitations charts.

From memory it's a 7.33G fighter per documented limits, add a safety factor of ~1.5x to that and you get 11G, which is about where I found it breaking while running some tests the other day. The amount it'll let you pull ingame before it breaks seems to be a function of fuel load only, not suspended stores or anything else, but with 2 Sidewinders and a combat fuel load I was able to have brief excursions beyond 10G twice before the wings finally gave out on a third pull, at a much lower value. If you're losing them at 8.5 it's very possibly because you already burnt that safety margin without realising it earlier, and since the F-5 completely lacks any sort of limiter system it is quite easy to do. These older US fighters have surprisingly low limits, 7.33 seems to have been the norm for a long time.

With that said, the 21 will snap its wings if you pull too abruptly for the ARU to keep up, as will the 19. The Viggen rips even lower, unless HB have adjusted it very recently I was seldom able to even sustain 9 for more than a second without the wings checking out.

[=475FG= Dawger]

23 minutes ago, rossmum said:

From memory it's a 7.33G fighter per documented limits, add a safety factor of ~1.5x to that and you get 11G, which is about where I found it breaking while running some tests the other day. The amount it'll let you pull ingame before it breaks seems to be a function of fuel load only, not suspended stores or anything else, but with 2 Sidewinders and a combat fuel load I was able to have brief excursions beyond 10G twice before the wings finally gave out on a third pull, at a much lower value. If you're losing them at 8.5 it's very possibly because you already burnt that safety margin without realising it earlier, and since the F-5 completely lacks any sort of limiter system it is quite easy to do. These older US fighters have surprisingly low limits, 7.33 seems to have been the norm for a long time.

With that said, the 21 will snap its wings if you pull too abruptly for the ARU to keep up, as will the 19. The Viggen rips even lower, unless HB have adjusted it very recently I was seldom able to even sustain 9 for more than a second without the wings checking out.

Nope.
 

ED has done a couple things. The first is misinterpreted the stores limits as applying to the wing. They don’t. They are pylon limits. So, now you can break the wings off well below 11 G symmetrical due to this error with pylon stores on  

The second is an inexplicable lowering of the failure limit at speeds in excess of 520 KIAS
 

The last error is applying assymetrical G failures far too aggressively. Wings are snapping off at the merest hint of roll when the book limits are 360 degree rolls initiated above 5 G or using full deflection.

Hopefully they will recognize the errors and quietly correct them. 

[F16wannabe]

6 hours ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

Nope.
 

ED has done a couple things. The first is misinterpreted the stores limits as applying to the wing. They don’t. They are pylon limits. So, now you can break the wings off well below 11 G symmetrical due to this error with pylon stores on  

The second is an inexplicable lowering of the failure limit at speeds in excess of 520 KIAS
 

The last error is applying assymetrical G failures far too aggressively. Wings are snapping off at the merest hint of roll when the book limits are 360 degree rolls initiated above 5 G or using full deflection.

Hopefully they will recognize the errors and quietly correct them. 

Honestly I would write this and show documentation and screenshots of your sources in order for things to be changed and post in the F-5 forum.  I wouldn't assume they know about it.

[Foka1]

On 11/6/2021 at 5:38 PM, =475FG= Dawger said:

Yea, we are well aware.

The airplane is snapping wings at 8.5 G symmetrical, which puts the operational G limit at 5.6 G in clean configuration.

Not much of a fighter.

Someone at ED doesn't know how to read the limitations charts.

 

it is modeled for 7.3 G limit with clean configuration as documented. (as far as I know).  5.6G limit would be for a loaded plane in this case. So something not checks out.

If you want to report case you need to provide at least track. Just saying that ED  "doesn't know how to read limitation charts" is not creating a constructive discussion.

If you know how it should be do a track where it breaks before, of what you would expect be right, then provide explanation where it should have been different. Something is needed as reference point and it is usually track file when you report something to ED.

[Foka1]

1 hour ago, F16wannabe said:

Honestly I would write this and show documentation and screenshots of your sources in order for things to be changed and post in the F-5 forum.  I wouldn't assume they know about it.

That too

[rossmum]

I'm doing some more testing now. My first round was mostly around 500kts so I didn't encounter the lower limit beyond that. With full internal fuel I'm losing the wings around 8.5-9, and 11 below that speed. Forgive me as I've skimmed the manual here and gone straight for operational limitations, but it says +6.5 with more than 2200lbs fuel and that multiplied by 1.5 puts us over the usual safety factor, as long as we're below 500kts. Above that, I don't know what's going on there, obviously it's a pretty significant drop and sure enough I'm not seeing anything in the manual that suggests that the limit should change based on speed - sounds like something ED do need to address. On a closer look, the shift in limit is based on speed specifically in this condition. 7.33 -> 6.5 above M 0.95 while fuel is more than 2200lbs, on an otherwise clean aircraft. No limit shift specified for below 2200lbs.

Cutting the fuel down to just below 2200lbs and keeping my speed below 500kts, I'm able to pull just on the north side of 11G repeatedly, I'm literally seesawing the thing +11 through to -3 to get my speed back and I brushed just past 12G on the fourth cycle. The plane finally broke on the fifth cycle as I pulled at around 450kts. Pulling from 600kts, I got past 11G with no issues, and broke on the second pull at around 11.5.

e/ Above for symmetrical, for clarity.

Edited November 9, 2021 by rossmum
reading is still hard

[Get_Lo]

I think I can live with the 10G limit on full fuel but the 8.4G ripping in barrels roles (no prior stress) is a bit, weird
Also im late to the MiG-21 radar discussion, but I would like to point out there have been times in the 21 in which I kept lock on a person who I merged with, and they flew behind me. to my surprise when I came back around on them I still had the lock. quite bizarre. 

[CrazyGman]