How is this Viggen compared to A10C

[jfri]

I'm considering buying the Viggen now when it is on sale. I already have the A10C and have flown that many hours.

So I would like to ask how is to fly and learn the Viggen if you compare with the A10C. Easier or more difficult ?

 

How good and extensive are the interactive tutorials ?

I see that it is early access, what limitations does that mean ?

The A10C is mainly a ground attack plane and less suited for air to air combat.

Is the Viggen mainly useful for one the types or as good for both ?

[SnorreSelmer]

The Viggen is mainly a ground-pounder, but can do A2A. Its main limitation in A2A is the high-AoA compressor stalling that can cause flameouts. It's a simple plane to fly, weapons are fairly easy to set up, but it's not a loiter-and-wait-for-a-call aircraft like the A-10 is. The Viggen is more of a pre-planned strike type aircraft.

 

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[Rudel_chw]

I'm considering buying the Viggen now when it is on sale. I already have the A10C and have flown that many hours.

So I would like to ask how is to fly and learn the Viggen if you compare with the A10C. Easier or more difficult ?

 

 

At least to me, learning the Viggen was much easier than learning the A-10C .. less avionics systems, less weapons variety, simpler CDU

 

 

 

How good and extensive are the interactive tutorials ?

 

 

There are 9 training missions, tough they are rather simple and dont cover all the weapons, for example there is no tutorial for the Rb15F missile.

 

 

I actually learned much more trough these YouTube tuorials:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see that it is early access, what limitations does that mean ?

 

 

The Flight Manual is still a draft ... tough fairly complete.

The radios arent yet fully finished ... or at least the manual doesnt tell how they are used.

The built in Campaign isnt yet in place, tough there is a shorter 5 mission mini-campaign on its place.

There are still bugs with the lighting, that appeared when DCS was updated to 2.5

 

 

The A10C is mainly a ground attack plane and less suited for air to air combat.

Is the Viggen mainly useful for one the types or as good for both ?

 

 

 

The Viggen is an interdictor .. its attacks require planning and a pre-established route. It can carry Sidewinders for self-defence, but its no air to air fighter.

 

 

All that said, the Viggen is one of my favorite aircrafts in DCS, love the sense of speed that one gets as it relies mostly on flying very low to evade the defences and penetrate deeply into enemy territory.

 

 

Here is the gameplay of one of the 9 missions that came with the module, so you can expereince a bit what its like to fight with the Viggen:

 

 

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Best regards

[QuiGon]

The Viggen is a very unique aircraft that was way ahead of it's time. If I'm not mistaken it was the very first combat aircraft that was equipped with a HUD as well as a digital onboard computer. As others have already pointed out, it is not a CAS aircraft like the A-10. The Viggen was made for strikes on pre planned key locations behind the frontline (ammo/fuel depots, bridges, that kind of stuff) as well as naval strikes. It is pretty advanced for its time and I find it a lot of fun to fly and employ in combat. It is actually my favorite DCS module so far.

 

The radios arent yet fully finished ... or at least the manual doesnt tell how they are used.

There are still bugs with the lighting, that appeared when DCS was updated to 2.5

The main radio is finished and is working fine. The other one is just a crude backup radio that is not usable and will never be AFAIK.

 

And the lighting has been fixed in the latest update.

[Jowen G. Bruère-Dawson]

Not comparable to the A-10. I think you can compare the Viggen to the Jaguar, even if the jag' is more suited for CAS than the Viggen. As said before it's a strike fighter. You'll requiere a good mission preparation to fly in really hostile zone. The avionics logic is really interresting to learn.

 

 

 

Impressive STOL capabilities ! You can takeoff on the shortest runway of DCS with FULL combat payload ! IMPRESSIVE !

 

 

 

Still some work to do I hope Heatblur will get it finished as soon as possible.

 

 

This aircraft is my favorite module (I have all DCS modules except C-101). A thing that really impress me on the Viggen is the mix of very advanced technologies for it's time and all of this in a freakin' tough cell. This aircraft is robust as rock !

 

 

 

Gameplay wise : You study the mission, place your waypoints carefully, takeoff, fly (very) low and (very) fast, drop all you ordonance and get home (very) low and (very) fast.

 

 

 

Another intersting fact : ELINT capabilities.

[Home Fries]

The only thing the A-10 and the Viggen have in common mission-wise is that they can both drop bombs and shoot maverick. Otherwise, the experiences and missions are completely different.

 

The A-10 is primarily a CAS bird, so it is slow, has long loiter time, and can take a punch. The Viggen, on the other hand, is primarily a low level, all weather deep strike aircraft and is ill-suited for CAS. This means that you use ground radar in bad weather to keep your nav updated and to make sure you don't hit the side of a mountain. The navigation system is Doppler based, which means it needs to be periodically updated, but you follow your flightplan and set your weapon parameters for a single high speed pass then egress. Whereas CAS is about a flexible tactical environment, a deep strike is about pre-planning and execution. The Viggen generally drops all of its weapons on one pass, and the Maverick employment is not nearly as easy as the A-10C (and it can still be very difficult in the A-10C if it's not slaved to the TGP).

 

I also like the Viggen avionics. They're a departure from western convention, but they make sense once you learn the method to the madness. I like both planes, but for completely different reasons. However, I do like the deep strike mission more than CAS, so in that respect I prefer the Viggen.

[jfri]

There are 9 training missions, tough they are rather simple and dont cover all the weapons, for example there is no tutorial for the Rb15F missile.

 

 

But the product description says

'Extensive interactive & voiced training tutorials.'

and in addition to that

'Instant action and single player missions.'

 

 

Do you refer to the latter ? I was thinking on the tutorials that are found under training

[Rudel_chw]

But the product description says

'Extensive interactive & voiced training tutorials.'

and in addition to that

'Instant action and single player missions.'

 

Do you refer to the latter ? I was thinking on the tutorials that are found under training

 

 

Under training, the Viggen has 9 tutorial missions:

 

1 trough 3 cover cold start, taxi and take off

4 & 5 cover navigation and VFR landing

6 trough 9 cover weapons: rockets, Rb04 & 05 missiles and CCIP bombs

 

as you can see, there are no tutorials for the RB15 missile, Guns nor the BK90 cluster bomb ... no tutorials for the countermeasures ... and no tutorials for IFR landing. The tutorials do have voice overs, but on my opinion they could have been more extensive.

 

On Instant Action, there are 3 missions for Normandy, one for Nevada and 6 for Caucasus.

 

On normal Missions there are 9 more missions, all of them on Caucasus.

 

Best regards,

[Baco]

Its a plane with character. I love it. its not complicated to learn, not so easy to master. But its idiosyncrasies are very interesting. I believe its a very worth while module.

Much fun to fly and fight in it.

You do need to plan out the mission, and on MP servers you need to make your own way points. Witch IMHO adds a very interesting experience to the sim.

 

I only fly the Hornet and the Viggen lately. And the first only to keep current in avionics and modern doctrines... doing on road rearming and refuel is a blast.

[QuiGon]

You do need to plan out the mission, and on MP servers you need to make your own way points. Witch IMHO adds a very interesting experience to the sim.

And is much easier than it sounds like :thumbup:

[tusler]

I have them both, just picked up the Viggen, they have about as much in common as a 1902 steam car and a Tesla Model S. Both planes fly and everything after that is different. Both are a ton of fun and scratch the itch in different ways...I still love the helicopters best though!