No click spots on radar stick?

[Spathiphyllum]

I am kind of shocked to find - beyond the fact that the radar stick isn't moving - it isn't even clickable. It's a joke really. A high fidelity module where half of the switches aren't clickable, or if accidentally clickable then not animated.

 

Sure, we're talking about an EA module but it's been out for a year and a half. Other EA modules aren't like this even on day one. As much as I love the Viggen as an aircraft type, the more I am trying to like this simulation, the more disappointed I become. It's so far behind all my other modules. A cockpit full of non clickable switches? I thought I was buying a "highly detailed" module and the least I'd expect is a fully clickable cockpit. Lack of animation in such obvious parts as the toe brakes, the magnetic declination knob, the radar stick just to name a few. No mirrors. Fix in the future? Well, with the focus shifted onto the F-14, I have doubts about these ever being fixed. They weren't addressed for a year and a half.

Edited July 8, 2018 by Spathiphyllum

[surstromming]

I am kind of shocked to find - beyond the fact that the radar stick isn't moving - it isn't even clickable. It's a joke really. A high fidelity module where half of the switches aren't clickable, or if accidentally clickable then not animated.

 

 

I just don´t think that non animated radarstick is that much of a deal?

And non clickable buttons on it doesn't bother me att all.

These should be mapped to your hotas anyway?

 

Sure there are a few buttons that should get fixed.

But nothing that take away the fun from flying this module.

 

For me it is definitely one my favourite module to fly.

To each his own I guess.

 

 

/M

[Spathiphyllum]

"These should be mapped to your hotas anyway?" Sure, I might as well do. And I might as well use the default SU-25T or the Mustang since I should map the switches to the hotas anyways. Well no. The reason why I decided to purchase a "high quality"product because I have high expectations which my other 8 modules surely meet. Not this one though as of yet.

[surstromming]

Well the buttons on the radar stick should definitely be mapped to your hotas, and not clicked on in the cockpit.

As far as I've seen the A-10 or F-18 as an example don´t have clickable buttons in cockpit on the sticks either.

 

And all models I've seen so far all have some amount on non functional buttons in the pit.

 

So I don´t see that as a reasonable reason to say this is not a high quality product?

I for sure think it is!

 

/M

[Holton181]

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As far as I've seen the A-10 or F-18 as an example don´t have clickable buttons in cockpit on the sticks either.

And to add to the list:

*Ka-50 (oldest and original module)

*Mi-8 (earned the title as best aircraft simulation a while back, unfortunately cant find the source)

*Huey

 

Spathiphyllum, why on earth do you whant to fiddle with the mouse on some tiny knobs and switches at awkward angles on the radar stick while looking down at them in the middle of the heat with enemy SAMs and AAAs surrounding you?

 

But as surstromming is saying, to each his own...

[toilet2000]

Indeed, these buttons should all be bound to a controller as those are part of the "HOTAS" controls. The AJS37 is exactly like any other high fidelity module to this regard.

 

As for the unanimated bit, HB said there is new art coming for the Viggen, like a pilot body for example, so these things are surely going to get added.

 

 

And just to get OP off his high horses, let’s see some of the things missing (or added well beyond 1 and a half year of early access) from other high fidelity module:

 

- Huey EGT (added recently, but there are big issues with it currently)

- Huey multicrew (still in the feature list when you buy it)

- Mi-8 multicrew

- M-2000C navigation and SA modes for the radar

- M-2000C FM got changed pretty drastically since the 2 years it released

- AV-8B took 8 months to get basic navigation features out

- Ka-50 cockpit lightning is broken

 

So OP, this isn’t the case only for the Viggen. Learn to enjoy it instead of getting stuck on small worthless details. The Viggen is a blast and definitely my favorite module.

[Cobra847]

Write me directly at nicholas.dackard@gmail.com with your key and proof of purchase and I will refund you.

[surstromming]

So OP, this isn’t the case only for the Viggen. Learn to enjoy it instead of getting stuck on small worthless details. The Viggen is a blast and definitely my favorite module.

 

+100 to this! :)

 

 

Best regards,

M

[Spathiphyllum]

Sure they are mapped, of course. But it's quite weird to look at the stick and meanwhile I manipulate the switches, nothing happens, nothing actually moves. How am I supposed to know what position the switch is in without having the visual reference / confirmation. In the real aircraft it's moving too, isn't it Surstromming, you also like "to go with the realistic one" as we learned. ;-)

[Holton181]

But it's quite weird to look at the stick and meanwhile I manipulate the switches, nothing happens, nothing actually moves. How am I supposed to know what position the switch is in without having the visual reference / confirmation

It's the radar stick. Anything you do with it that has a purpose will be visible on the radar. Moving the stick without turning the radar on in the correct mode doesn't have a purpose, right?

[surstromming]

Sure they are mapped, of course. But it's quite weird to look at the stick and meanwhile I manipulate the switches, nothing happens, nothing actually moves. How am I supposed to know what position the switch is in without having the visual reference / confirmation. In the real aircraft it's moving too, isn't it Surstromming, you also like "to go with the realistic one" as we learned. ;-)

 

The one on top of the radar stick is animated.

Think it is radar on/off/B-scope.(can't remember right now, from the top of my head)

But rather than looking at the button on the stick I just look at the radar if its on or off :lol:

Or i can just feel it on the switch on my hotas, which stat it´s in.

 

The "trigger" on the radar stick I don´t think is animated though.

But I would never bother to try to look at that one to see what state it is in.

The are other "visual" things to see that state our just feel it on my hotas.

 

/M

[Rudel_chw]

Write me directly at nicholas.dackard@gmail.com with your key and proof of purchase and I will refund you.

 

 

Dear Cobra,

 

 

Please, dont let this type of petty criticism get to you .. every buyer is responsible for at the very least check each aircraft before buying, looking at YouTube videos or making queries at the Forum ... if he deems important that his aircrafts should have fully animated sticks then he should have investigated about it a little before purchasing.

 

 

I'd rather see that the developer's attention is focused on more important features, like making sure that the Viggen is kept up to date as the DCS core is being improved, and also finishing the manual and the Campaign.

 

 

I have fully enjoyed the Viggen since its release and even if it isnt yet fully finished I believe that I've got my money's worth, with more than 150 sorties and 90 flight hours on the type :)

 

 

Best regards,

 

 

Eduardo

[surstromming]

Dear Cobra,

 

 

Please, dont let this type of petty criticism get to you .. every buyer is responsible for at the very least check each aircraft before buying, looking at YouTube videos or making queries at the Forum ... if he deems important that his aircrafts should have fully animated sticks then he should have investigated about it a little before purchasing.

 

 

I'd rather see that the developer's attention is focused on more important features, like making sure that the Viggen is kept up to date as the DCS core is being improved, and also finishing the manual and the Campaign.

 

 

I have fully enjoyed the Viggen since its release and even if it isnt yet fully finished I believe that I've got my money's worth, with more than 150 sorties and 90 flight hours on the type :)

 

 

Best regards,

 

 

Eduardo

 

 

I really agree to this 100%!

Thank you Heatblur for making Viggen and keep up the good work! :)

 

Best regards,

M

[Cobra847]

Dear Cobra,

 

 

Please, dont let this type of petty criticism get to you .. every buyer is responsible for at the very least check each aircraft before buying, looking at YouTube videos or making queries at the Forum ... if he deems important that his aircrafts should have fully animated sticks then he should have investigated about it a little before purchasing.

 

 

I'd rather see that the developer's attention is focused on more important features, like making sure that the Viggen is kept up to date as the DCS core is being improved, and also finishing the manual and the Campaign.

 

 

I have fully enjoyed the Viggen since its release and even if it isnt yet fully finished I believe that I've got my money's worth, with more than 150 sorties and 90 flight hours on the type :)

 

 

Best regards,

 

 

Eduardo

 

I think it's natural that some customers will be severely disappointed, despite our best efforts. :)

 

Refunds are very rare for us, but Spathiphyllum seems to be genuinely disappointed (through no major fault of his own I believe) - though hopefully he will take another chance on the Viggen down the line!

That's always our goal, at the least.

[Spathiphyllum]

Dear Cobra,

 

 

Please, dont let this type of petty criticism get to you .. every buyer is responsible for at the very least check each aircraft before buying, looking at YouTube videos or making queries at the Forum ... if he deems important that his aircrafts should have fully animated sticks then he should have investigated about it a little before purchasing.

 

 

I'd rather see that the developer's attention is focused on more important features, like making sure that the Viggen is kept up to date as the DCS core is being improved, and also finishing the manual and the Campaign.

 

 

I have fully enjoyed the Viggen since its release and even if it isnt yet fully finished I believe that I've got my money's worth, with more than 150 sorties and 90 flight hours on the type :)

 

 

Best regards,

 

 

Eduardo

 

That is an utter nonsense. A buyer is responsible as long as he or she is checking the official description. That is agreed. Done that. But why would a buyer be responsible for looking for more than what the developer provided? And what if there was no videos uploaded and what if the uploaded videos don't show the part or system one's interested in and what if no forum threads are discussing it?

 

The difference here is the fact that we are talking about an Early Access product and as such I can to a certain degree accept the highlighted issues or lack of features. Fine. I would even believe or at least I'd love to believe that all of these will be dealt with in due course. As I am not friends with the developer, don't know them at all, I can't say I trust them. I may trust them once I know them and find them worthy of trust. As it stands, I can solely rely on simple facts. Given is a simulation that is a year and a half old and I asked legitimate questions about very basic elements. Some people seem to take it as an offence against their beloved product.

 

On the other hand though, I need no refund, despite my expectations aren't fully met as it currently stands, I'd love to see what this product will become like towards the very end of Early Access. Let's see if the developer will continue improving on it once the currently work-in-progress new product comes around or will the outstanding bugs and issues and whatnot be left untouched. Time will tell.

[Holton181]

I asked legitimate questions about very basic elements.

Yes you did. But have you ever considered with what kind of attitude you did? With good and professional attitude you can come a long way in how other people view and respond to your questions and considerations. It goes the other way too, basic human psychology.

[Spathiphyllum]

I think it's natural that some customers will be severely disappointed, despite our best efforts. :)

 

Refunds are very rare for us, but Spathiphyllum seems to be genuinely disappointed (through no major fault of his own I believe) - though hopefully he will take another chance on the Viggen down the line!

That's always our goal, at the least.

 

Not exactly the case. The Viggen is in my opinion the most beautiful aircraft of all the available modules. Not only the real one, but the simulated one too: the 3D artwork is a masterpiece, a higher art of modelling, the textures are amazing. Overall we've got a very fine simulation of an extinct jet, one that I always loved as a child (was lucky enough to even see one in real life as a Viggen is - or at least was - displayed in a museum in my native country) and love it as an adult too (although the Gripen is my all time favourite). And exactly this is why I am nuts. This is the one and only Viggen we can mess around with. No one else, ever will make one. If this will not be perfect, we'll never have a perfect Viggen. I don't care about my A10C, my Harrier, my Hornet, my Mig 21 or the any of the rest of the modules I own. The Viggen means something to me and this is why it's bugging me so much that some very basic, very elementary stuff are missing. I am sure there are numerous problems with other DCS add-ons too, but I wouldn't spend so much time whining about them, simply because I don't care that much.

 

Maybe I do sound harsh or demanding, but in fact I just want this to be nothing less than perfect. It does have the potential, very much - and it would be such a pity to see it miss this opportunity.

[surstromming]

Maybe I do sound harsh or demanding, but in fact I just want this to be nothing less than perfect. It does have the potential, very much - and it would be such a pity to see it miss this opportunity.

 

Yes, you do sound harsh and demanding.

And the way you do it makes it sound like the Viggen is in really bad shape.

Which in turn might scare other customers of, with less money to the developers as a potential effect.

 

That is, in my opinion, not fair.

Because it is not in a bad shape. (besides the recent CTD:s, that I am sure they will fix)

 

There are a few useful buttons in cockpit not working, but it does in no way take away from the experience at all.

Not in my opinion, anyway.

 

I have been flying DCS since before Black shark and this is one of the most fun modules of them all.

 

That is why I'm reacting against what i feel is unfair statements.

When saying things like "Its a joke" and "Half of the switches not being clickable" (and that is simply not true) and claiming refunds etc it sure makes it sound like you are stating that it is in a really bad shape.

 

And that is not fair, at all.

 

Best regards,

M

[Holton181]

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Indeed, pretty much sums it up.

[Juancio]

Not exactly the case. The Viggen is in my opinion the most beautiful aircraft of all the available modules. Not only the real one, but the simulated one too: the 3D artwork is a masterpiece, a higher art of modelling, the textures are amazing. Overall we've got a very fine simulation of an extinct jet, one that I always loved as a child (was lucky enough to even see one in real life as a Viggen is - or at least was - displayed in a museum in my native country) and love it as an adult too (although the Gripen is my all time favourite). And exactly this is why I am nuts. This is the one and only Viggen we can mess around with. No one else, ever will make one. If this will not be perfect, we'll never have a perfect Viggen. I don't care about my A10C, my Harrier, my Hornet, my Mig 21 or the any of the rest of the modules I own. The Viggen means something to me and this is why it's bugging me so much that some very basic, very elementary stuff are missing. I am sure there are numerous problems with other DCS add-ons too, but I wouldn't spend so much time whining about them, simply because I don't care that much.

 

Maybe I do sound harsh or demanding, but in fact I just want this to be nothing less than perfect. It does have the potential, very much - and it would be such a pity to see it miss this opportunity.

 

 

Mate don't waste more time in this, Cobra already said there is very little left to do on the aircraft. See here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=201785&page=3

Next time just get something from ED/Belsimtek

[Pasquale1986]

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+1

 

Point is: Nothing in DCS will or can be absolutely perfect - as far is i understand it. Thing is, avionics are working as intendet without any major need for improvement- that's something very few modules in DCS can claim. The bugs you reported Spathiphyllum are as far is i saw - excluding the acknowlegded ctd bug - visual/animation issues.

 

 

I for myself highly prefer a module with working avionics and a realistic FM than a module with incomplete avionics but a fully animated cockpit (just look at the threads in the Mirage section). We have some very nice looking modules out there that can't be used as IRL because 20% of their avionics are either not working as intended or just not implemented yet and the dev's got completely roasted for that - which imho is always completely unneccessary.

 

 

Bug Reports are important because in the end community and devs are de facto working together to get the projects to a point where the modules can reach their full potential. Imho every module is - that is just a nature of DCS itself - an "interplay" of development work and community Feedback/bug Reports followed by development and fine Tuning.

 

Of course this isn't stated in the store but as you said you own a bunch of other modules (look at the A-10C's FLIR) so you know what to expect. In this regard surstromming is absolutely Right - at least the tone of your critique is Maybe not exactly suited to the bugs you voiced your concern About. I think the community should be a little less emotional when voicing critique/feedback - even though it is neccessary to make the module better - because that just get's everyone away from the facts and leads to senseless and frustrating discussions. In the end that doesn't help anyone.

 

Just my two Cents and happy flying the Viggen everyone

 

(PS I am not a native english Speaker and there is no intent to be harsh or offensive in any regard - just in case i wasn't able to hit the Right tone)

 

Cheers

[Spathiphyllum]

Yes, you do sound harsh and demanding.

And the way you do it makes it sound like the Viggen is in really bad shape.

Which in turn might scare other customers of, with less money to the developers as a potential effect.

 

That is, in my opinion, not fair.

Because it is not in a bad shape. (besides the recent CTD:s, that I am sure they will fix)

 

There are a few useful buttons in cockpit not working, but it does in no way take away from the experience at all.

Not in my opinion, anyway.

 

I have been flying DCS since before Black shark and this is one of the most fun modules of them all.

 

That is why I'm reacting against what i feel is unfair statements.

When saying things like "Its a joke" and "Half of the switches not being clickable" (and that is simply not true) and claiming refunds etc it sure makes it sound like you are stating that it is in a really bad shape.

 

And that is not fair, at all.

 

Best regards,

M

 

Fair enough.

 

Just want to respond to one statement, regarding the profit of the developer and scaring off other customers. I can't care less how the cash is flowing to any developer in any business, neither do I care about scaring off other customers. What I do care about is the product itself and if I find it appropriate I should and certainly will report my observations and opinion since I haven't received any of the content as a birthday souvenir but paid for it.

 

Agreed, the product isn't in a bad shape at all but there is plenty of room for improvement and my only concern was / is if the developers are going to address them or not, considering the aircraft is on the market for a year and a half and basic stuff are missing that one would obviously expect from a high fidelity simulation.

 

No point repeating myself, made myself heard, let's see how the Viggen is gonna leave Early Access.

[Spathiphyllum]

Mate don't waste more time in this, Cobra already said there is very little left to do on the aircraft. See here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=201785&page=3

Next time just get something from ED/Belsimtek

 

Read it, thanks for the link.

[surstromming]

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:thumbup:

 

Best regard,

M

[Cobra847]

Mate don't waste more time in this, Cobra already said there is very little left to do on the aircraft. See here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=201785&page=3

Next time just get something from ED/Belsimtek

 

That's a pretty gross mischaracterization of my post and ignores pretty much every other post on the subject of the Viggen that I have made.

 

The Viggen is practically 99% complete and is quite frankly missing very little.

That doesn't mean there won't be significant improvements and additions of the little that does remain. 1% out of tens of thousands of manhours is still a lot.