O-2A Skymaster

[Johnny Dioxin]

Was thinking the same. I'm not interested in trainers and simple aircraft anymore for a while.

 

 

 

Would be amazing to have a good SAM battery / AAA simulator in DCS. SA2's and shilka for example would be an instant purchase for me.

 

 

I'd buy an O-2 straight away - zero interest in SAM simulator, though ;)

 

Oh - and you can already man Shilka units in DCS World with Combined Arms.

 

Furia - I agree, but such are the times we live in. Simply answering a question is no longer viable - everyone wants their view known and everyone wants what they want and not what others want :)

[Buzzles]

Definite no for me.

 

Lots of other more interesting aircraft that should come before this imo.

 

 

Edit: @Razbam: what's the thought process behind this looking at this aircraft as a potential one to develop?

Edited July 28, 2018 by Buzzles

[gear_monkey]

Start talking OV-10 Bronco. Now you got my attention and wallet.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

To those who voted no, go on YouTube, search for Wings Over Vietnam AFAC. The Skymaster is a phenomenal plane for observation and light attack, while also filling in the role of civvy utility.

[CaptJodan]

Would be a purchase for me. I'm sure there are other aircraft that could do the role as well or better, but I've always liked the aircraft. Some devs like ED like to put out simpler modules to compliment their more advanced modules (need funds), and this is a good choice in my view.

[Furia]

 

[Magot]

Film with Skymaster in Vietnam war ;-)

[TWC_SLAG]

I voted “No”, because there many planes more deserving. It would be a nitch, with only short time popularity. That said, I have many hours in the real Cessna 337 Skymaster, and it flew very well. I liked it.

 

We have the F-5, also used in Vietnam, and the MiG-21. So, how about an F-8 Crusader? THE MiG killer.

Edited July 28, 2018 by TWC_SLAG
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[Jenrick]

OV-10 would certainly be my preference. If we're going for odd AC of the Vietnam war, how about an A-37 Super Dragonfly? It'd the BLUEFOR equivalent to the L-39 in DCS.

[TWC_SLAG]

How about if DCS had us vote our order of preference on 5 planes? Then, add the winner and 4 other planes to vote on. Put the first and second round winners with some others in a third round. If a previous winner isn’t at least third in each round, they get dropped. Do that 4-5 times, and you have a pretty good list as to what people really want.

 

Then DCS can decide which of those fits in with what we already have.

 

Some people just want to be able to fly as many different planes as possible. They probably don’t care what plane comes out next. They will vote yes for anything. In the real world, you don’t fly a different plane everyday.

 

DCS, needs to take into account what will sell enough to make a profit.

[scaflight]

How about if DCS had us vote our order of preference on 5 planes? Then, add the winner and 4 other planes to vote on. Put the first and second round winners with some others in a third round. If a previous winner isn’t at least third in each round, they get dropped. Do that 4-5 times, and you have a pretty good list as to what people really want.

 

Then DCS can decide which of those fits in with what we already have.

 

Some people just want to be able to fly as many different planes as possible. They probably don’t care what plane comes out next. They will vote yes for anything. In the real world, you don’t fly a different plane everyday.

 

DCS, needs to take into account what will sell enough to make a profit.

 

You're treating a tournament or election model like market analysis. Hungering for winners like that puts the cart before the horse. You don't know which aircraft to field in the first place. The Viggen would never have featured on anyone's radar and be selected away rapidly, despite a development studio having superb access and insights.

 

Different developers have different interests and fields of expertise, and ED has their own overall strategy with the game. A poll isn't to empower players to steer development (imagine if they chose the F-35, nigh impossible to research adequately to ED standards), it's to show product preferences that developers can use to help guide them. What I propose is not choice, it's collection of data. The analysis of that data goes beyond which aircraft ends up with the highest rating.

 

And to salvage this to keep on topic (since I've no response from Growler yet): I'd love an O-2A. I'd love a Cessna 152. I'd take a 707, with or without military equipment.

[TWC_SLAG]

You're treating a tournament or election model like market analysis. Hungering for winners like that puts the cart before the horse. You don't know which aircraft to field in the first place. The Viggen would never have featured on anyone's radar and be selected away rapidly, despite a development studio having superb access and insights.

 

Different developers have different interests and fields of expertise, and ED has their own overall strategy with the game. A poll isn't to empower players to steer development (imagine if they chose the F-35, nigh impossible to research adequately to ED standards), it's to show product preferences that developers can use to help guide them. What I propose is not choice, it's collection of data. The analysis of that data goes beyond which aircraft ends up with the highest rating.

 

And to salvage this to keep on topic (since I've no response from Growler yet): I'd love an O-2A. I'd love a Cessna 152. I'd take a 707, with or without military equipment.

 

Nothing wrong with market analysis, which involves the collection of data. By the time you have gone through several rounds, as I describe them, you have made available many different planes on which to vote. The Viggen would have possibly been one of those.

 

To get back to the thread, if someone wants a 152, or some such, there is a sim called **X, which has 1,000’s of free planes to download. The “C” in DCS stands for Combat.

[shagrat]

OV-10 would certainly be my preference. If we're going for odd AC of the Vietnam war, how about an A-37 Super Dragonfly? It'd the BLUEFOR equivalent to the L-39 in DCS.

What do you mean by "odd"? It was "the" first dedicated FAC aircraft. The O-1 was simply a plane that was slow and available, then they looked at something better suited for the job and came to the O-2 Skymaster as it had a second propeller in the back, good visibility and loiter time.

The OV-10 was build for the job, but that doesn't mean a Skymaster isn't fit for the job...

[Furia]

To get back to the thread, if someone wants a 152, or some such, there is a sim called **X, which has 1,000’s of free planes to download. The “C” in DCS stands for Combat.

 

The nimble Cessna propeller driven aircrafts doing AFAC role in Vietnam (L19 and O-2A) saw more combat, flew more hours over enemy territory than many other jet units in theater.

Take a look at the number of awards given to those pilots flying such very dangerous missions and then come back here and say this is just a 152 that has no room in a combat enviroment.:doh:

[shagrat]

The nimble Cessna propeller driven aircrafts doing AFAC role in Vietnam (L19 and O-2A) saw more combat, flew more hours over enemy territory than many other jet units in theater.

Take a look at the number of awards given to those pilots flying such very dangerous missions and then come back here and say this is just a 152 that has no room in a combat enviroment.:doh:

Pretty much this... There are a lot of links to videos and such showing what they did.

 

I would even go so far as to say it was a more interesting job than rushing in with an F-4, dump some bombs or napalm on triple canopy jungle and hurry back to base...

[Knock-Knock]

Well, I voted, and voted yes.

Not yes because I want the plane personally, but yes because I can see that many do, and that it can fulfill a role in DCS, and why would I stand in the way of that?

[TWC_SLAG]

The 152 is the bottom of the line plane from Cessna. It has two seats, a nose wheel, and is used mostly for primary training. Maybe you are thinking of the four seater 172, also with a nose wheel. Even that is not like an O-2, which is closer to the 337. Google them, and the O-2.

 

The O-2 was not just a 337 with the seats ripped out. Has as been suggested.

Edited July 29, 2018 by TWC_SLAG
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[Johnny Dioxin]

Too many party poopers around here - but then, hasn't that been the case since Black Shark 1? It's not about whether a vote is yes or no - it's the 'reasons' given.

[Furia]

The 152 is the bottom of the line plane from Cessna. It has two seats, a nose wheel, and is used mostly for primary training. Maybe you are thinking of the four seater 172, also with a nose wheel. Even that is not like an O-2, which is closer to the 337. Google them, and the O-2.

 

The O-2 was not just a 337 with the seats ripped out. Has as been suggested.

 

No need to google, been flying Cessna aircraft among other types since 26 years so they are quite familiar to me.

This thread is about the twin engine, retractable gear O-2A, quite a difference airframe/performance from a C152.

 

And yes this is a combat aircraft, used extensively during the Vietnam war.

Just out of curiosity more than 500 units were produced for the Vietnam War.

Like the Huey, an "utility" heliocpter that ended up logging more combat hours and earning more awards than most other "combat" aircraft

 

Hey above all I would love to have an A1 Skyrider but that does not mean I have to vote against the O-2A

The more aircraft related to the Vietnam war the better.

[Harry.R]

No for me, I'd personally prefer something a bit punchier like a Hawker Hunter, Jagauar, A7, etc. Or..a C-130, C-27, DC-3?

[Tirak]

A Tweet? Seriously?

 

 

That's Super Tweet to you. They were indispensable light close air support and fairly popular. There's a former Super Tweet pilot over on F-16.net if you're looking for interesting war stories about them.

[TWC_SLAG]

No need to google, been flying Cessna aircraft among other types since 26 years so they are quite familiar to me.

This thread is about the twin engine, retractable gear O-2A, quite a difference airframe/performance from a C152.

 

And yes this is a combat aircraft, used extensively during the Vietnam war.

Just out of curiosity more than 500 units were produced for the Vietnam War.

Like the Huey, an "utility" heliocpter that ended up logging more combat hours and earning more awards than most other "combat" aircraft

 

Hey above all I would love to have an A1 Skyrider but that does not mean I have to vote against the O-2A

The more aircraft related to the Vietnam war the better.

 

I spent 5 years working at Cessna, delivered new planes on weekends, and I didn’t bring up the 152. Looks like the poll is going against the O-2.

[shagrat]

(...) Looks like the poll is going against the O-2.

 

With 1% of the forum members having voted some 0.5% pro and con.

 

That is taking into account only the forum, not the majority of buyers not present with a forum account... So either we need to assume only some 100 people are interested in an O-2A or we can scale to 50% of the customer base may be interested the O-2A...

[TWC_SLAG]

With 1% of the forum members having voted some 0.5% pro and con.

 

That is taking into account only the forum, not the majority of buyers not present with a forum account... So either we need to assume only some 100 people are interested in an O-2A or we can scale to 50% of the customer base may be interested the O-2A...

 

Or, 98% just don’t care. It’s the popular vote that counts. There is no electoral college.

[Stratos]

I voted yes. But not sure I would buy it unless we could get a jungle map, Vietnam, El Salvador or something generic, but jungle.

 

I would have prefered this bird, that's for sure!

 

Edited July 29, 2018 by Stratos