33-DFTC Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) Hi there ! I'm looking for documents teaching how to calculate the Bingo Fuel on the Mirage 2000C but after several days I can't find any. Does anyone knows the procedure used by M2000 pilots and willing to share it ? Thanks)) Edited October 17, 2018 by 33-DFTC Problem solved There are only two types of aircraft, fighters and targets. - Major Doyle "Wahoo" Nicholson, USMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaizzMC Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Bingo = (Distance to RTB/Average Speed)*FuelRate/60 Distance in nautical mile Speed in knots FuelRate in kg/min Distance/Speed gives you flight time in hour. Divide it by 60 to get flight time in minute. Multiply by FuelRate to get approximate total consomation You often add a bit more to this result just to be sure Nabla Corporation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33-DFTC Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) Thank you for the answer Blaizz, For a moment I though nobody would calculate his Joker/Bingo while planning a mission - I still suspect a vast majority of players don't do it. While I understand your formula, don't you include the quantity of fuel to reach the alternate field and the mandatory emergency fuel ? The emergency fuel quantity is what's really bugging me, I don't know what is the vital minimum required by the crew when the plane is shut down. Edit : Also, is there any table with different profiles to know the average consumption with different loadouts ? Edited October 15, 2018 by 33-DFTC There are only two types of aircraft, fighters and targets. - Major Doyle "Wahoo" Nicholson, USMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaizzMC Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I calculate it on the go while flying so that formula doesn't take all of this into consideration Nabla Corporation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaizzMC Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 For the table, there used to be one but I don't think it was updated since the last FM I usually take 400kts and 60kg/min Nabla Corporation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gators Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Bingo = (Distance to RTB/Average Speed)*FuelRate/60 Distance in nautical mile Speed in knots FuelRate in kg/min Distance/Speed gives you flight time in hour. Divide it by 60 to get flight time in minute. Multiply by FuelRate to get approximate total consomation You often add a bit more to this result just to be sure Bingo = (Distance to RTB/Average Speed)*FuelRate*60 It works better like this :thumbup: Gators [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 You need to add fuel for alternate and final reserve to be safe :smilewink: Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI GTX 1080Ti Gaming X/ RAM 32 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Saitek X-55 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Rift S M-2000C X-55 VR profile / M-2000C custom SERVAL symbols assignation Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33-DFTC Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 Jojo, you mention the final reserve/emergency fuel, but what's the actual quantity of it ? Do you have a source for it or are you adding it with a somewhat random number ? Do you add a full minute of post-combustion consumption to the equation in case of running into trouble too ? By the lack of answer concerning a chart about the different loadouts, I must assume that none is available online ? A plane flying a 6+8+14F configuration will not have the same consumption as a 6+8B+4*Mk82. The Joker/Bingo setting will be dramatically different from one configuration to another. I know I seem to be a "little" picky here but I'm really looking to get through the correct procedures when creating/editing missions and their briefings. Thank you for your help)) There are only two types of aircraft, fighters and targets. - Major Doyle "Wahoo" Nicholson, USMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frag Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Ho anyone have the formula for the F-5 and the L-39? Ironically, I recently had to land in a grass field with my F-5 that ran out of fuel. Would really like this since it is quite tough to evaluate without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiCKS-BB15 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 If you read 'French', you can also try this post : 'How to calculate easily your bingo' http://www.checksix-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=145162 Cheers, HiCKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33-DFTC Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 If you read 'French', you can also try this post : 'How to calculate easily your bingo' http://www.checksix-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=145162 Cheers, HiCKS From what I read, this is a way to calculate the Bingo for the Viper and not the Mirage 2000. The values cannot match from one plane to another unfortunately. I'll keep their formula in a safe waiting for the Belsimtek/ED Viper, thanks ;) There are only two types of aircraft, fighters and targets. - Major Doyle "Wahoo" Nicholson, USMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33-DFTC Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 Soooo ... There's virtually nobody calculating with precision its Bingo Fuel. I'm really surprised. So much hate from users towards Razbam to get functionalities on this bird when they don't even use a function as basic and vital as setting their bingo fuel value, that's insane. I really got the impression by reading the "Mirage 2000C Missing Feature/Bug list" thread that most of the people posting on this section of the board were going deep about realism. I suppose all this "study sim" thing people are craving for is just a way to complain and whine on Internet - as usual. Yeah, I'm disapointed. If by chance I find the information about the super secret formula of the Bingo Fuel, I'll come back and post it on this thread, who knows, someone could use it one day ? There are only two types of aircraft, fighters and targets. - Major Doyle "Wahoo" Nicholson, USMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Soooo ... There's virtually nobody calculating with precision its Bingo Fuel. I'm really surprised. So much hate from users towards Razbam to get functionalities on this bird when they don't even use a function as basic and vital as setting their bingo fuel value, that's insane. I really got the impression by reading the "Mirage 2000C Missing Feature/Bug list" thread that most of the people posting on this section of the board were going deep about realism. I suppose all this "study sim" thing people are craving for is just a way to complain and whine on Internet - as usual. Yeah, I'm disapointed. If by chance I find the information about the super secret formula of the Bingo Fuel, I'll come back and post it on this thread, who knows, someone could use it one day ? There isn't any secret formula. You can do your own test to get your kg/Nm at cruise speed (depend on altitude, load out and selected speed). So bingo would be: fuel to go home + wave off and climb to cruise altitude for alternate & fuel to go to alternate + final reserve (waiting time). Final reserve is usually X minutes of waiting time above alternate. (usually between 20mn and 30mn, it can depends on weather, day/ night, expected problems). You can try 300kt @ 10 000ft, note your fuel flow (kg/mn) x YY mn of waiting time. There isn't one simple answer. you must select your flying parameters. Long story short = when you have DETOT = 2000kg, you would better go home or look for a tanker :smilewink: Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI GTX 1080Ti Gaming X/ RAM 32 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Saitek X-55 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Rift S M-2000C X-55 VR profile / M-2000C custom SERVAL symbols assignation Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguara5 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) Soooo ... There's virtually nobody calculating with precision its Bingo Fuel. I'm really surprised. So much hate from users towards Razbam to get functionalities on this bird when they don't even use a function as basic and vital as setting their bingo fuel value, that's insane. I really got the impression by reading the "Mirage 2000C Missing Feature/Bug list" thread that most of the people posting on this section of the board were going deep about realism. I suppose all this "study sim" thing people are craving for is just a way to complain and whine on Internet - as usual. Yeah, I'm disapointed. If by chance I find the information about the super secret formula of the Bingo Fuel, I'll come back and post it on this thread, who knows, someone could use it one day ? Well, the bingo fuel calculation formula (even a simple one) should have been already in the official manual, and not be discovered by the users themselfs . Perhaps, FAF could share some info to razbam. In any case , when i have the chance to talk with real 2000 pilots, i will ask this question , if i get some info i will share it here. Edited October 16, 2018 by jaguara5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33-DFTC Posted October 17, 2018 Author Share Posted October 17, 2018 @jojo : I was being sarcastic :x I know there is no secret formula, the data exists but its pretty difficult to get our hands on it. I finally got it ! @jaguar : Unfortunately (for us), the data is still classified by the AdA, that's probably why we did not get any information on the module manual :/ Thank you again for your replies and answers guys ! Cheers) There are only two types of aircraft, fighters and targets. - Major Doyle "Wahoo" Nicholson, USMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventus_Clu Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 The reason you don't find many docs on this is because IRL it takes in so many factors, the formulas mentioned above as you pointed out will give you 0 additional fuel, so on top of this ,IRL, you would work out how much fuel is required for an additional Instrument Landing Circuit (ILC), the fuel required to transit to the diversion airfield, and fuel to carry out 2x ILCs. This would be your so called "reserve fuel" or sometimes called FOG (fuel on ground) and it is expected you do not go into this fuel ever. If you do then IRL you'd declare an emergency for low fuel. If you knew from your previous calculations that you are likely to dip into this fuel, then you could declare a "fuel priority" to hopefully bump you up the queue, or an emergency if there was no way you could no dip into your FOG. But thats only if you play MP. Or roleplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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