Shimmering - Cockpit when moving rudder pedals or TrackIR

[derbynew]

When I am in the cockpit, if I just move the rudder pedals, I get a lot of shimmering on the shadows and lines in the distance shimmer and flicker to.

 

Using TrackIR makes the problem extreme to the point where I do not use TrackIR anymore.

 

I do not have this problem with other games.

 

I totally removed and added my NVidia Game drivers.

This is a brand new PC. So would love the graphics to be perfect.

 

 

Below is a link to the Video.

 

 

Below is my machine info:

 

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System Information

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Time of this report: 11/8/2018, 08:47:12

Machine name: DESKTOP-PVUD3CB

Machine Id: {6015D98A-039D-43E1-B55A-9A342398B268}

Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (10.0, Build 17134) (17134.rs4_release.180410-1804)

Language: English (Regional Setting: English)

System Manufacturer: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd.

System Model: MS-7B17

BIOS: Default System BIOS (type: BIOS)

Processor: Intel® Core i5-9600K CPU @ 3.70GHz (6 CPUs), ~3.7GHz

Memory: 32768MB RAM

Available OS Memory: 32708MB RAM

Page File: 6275MB used, 26432MB available

Windows Dir: C:\Windows

DirectX Version: DirectX 12

DX Setup Parameters: Not found

User DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)

System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)

DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled

Miracast: Available, with HDCP

Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported

DxDiag Version: 10.00.17134.0001 64bit Unicode

 

DXDiag

DxDiag.txt

 

Sys info

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DCS Settings

options.lua

Edited November 7, 2018 by derbynew

[Lixma 06]

The shadows become blocky/jagged at certain angles - that's just a DCS thing.

 

But the reason they're 'shimmering' when you move your pedals is that you're turning slightly the nose of the aircraft.

[Goa]

exactly, you slighlty move the nose of the aicraft, and that's not a problem, put shadows to flat and low :)

[derbynew]

I am not sure that is correct. Look at this video, when he moves the aircraft, there is no shimmering on shadows, so I do not think this is expected behaviour.

 

[derbynew]

I set up shadows to flat and low and still have the shimmering on Shadows when moving the Pedals.

[Lixma 06]

It's because you're moving the plane.

 

The shadows are not connected to your pedals.

 

I promise.

 

e: look

 

Edited November 7, 2018 by Lixma 06

[Yurgon]

I am not sure that is correct. Look at this video, when he moves the aircraft, there is no shimmering on shadows, so I do not think this is expected behaviour.

 

Are you referring to the 14:00 mark, when he tests the flight controls? At that point, NWS is off.

 

In your video, NWS is on, so while Wags really only moves the pedals and the rudders, you're also turning the nose wheel, which in turn makes the nose move a little bit, and that nose-movement causes the shadows to move across your front dash.

Edit: My mistake, Wags has NWS on at that moment, so apparently the fact that he doesn't have these shimmering shadows has another cause. /Edit

 

But regardless if it's triggered by the peals or not, you're right about the shadow shimmering, though I really can't say if this is normal or not. I think the cockpit shadows should look a lot crisper at the edges, especially on your rig. Then again, I don't know if maybe some of your override settings in the Nvidia driver might cause the effect rather than remove it. I have mine mostly at defaults for DCS ("Application default") and will take a look at the shadows on my next flight.

Edited November 7, 2018 by Yurgon

[derbynew]

Any help is appreciated. I used the pedals as an example, but with Trackir It is really bad. I just move my head and the shadows in cockpit shimmer and text as well. Trackir is not moving the aircraft.

 

Happy to post a video with how it looks using trackir.

 

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[derbynew]

It's because you're moving the plane.

 

The shadows are not connected to your pedals.

 

I promise.

 

e: look

 

 

Hi, I understand your comment, however I chose the pedals as an example as I could remove all usb devices.

 

I will post a video showing how bad it is when using TrackIR, that is just moving my head in the cockpit, which does not move the plane, and the shadows and text in the cockpit shimmer really badly that I cannot play with TrackIR.

 

Will post a video shortly :)

[derbynew]

Alright, here is a video showing just how bad the shimmering is when using a device to track head movements like TrackIR.

 

Its pretty terrible.

 

Notice at 33 seconds, I disable trackir and the image is perfect.

 

 

Surely this is not by design and is unacceptable?

[Yurgon]

Actually it turns out I have pretty much the exact same type of shimmering shadows.

 

I just never noticed it, or it didn't distract me from the game.

 

Yeah, it would be nice if this got fixed.

 

Personally, I think the added value of having cockpit shadows outweighs their problems, I guess that's why I never really noticed that they weren't quite perfect yet.

[BuzzU]

Simple fix. I turn off shadows.

 

Just make believe it's a cloudy day.

[Lixma 06]

Notice at 33 seconds, I disable trackir and the image is perfect.

 

Think about how a game looks when you turn anti-aliasing off.

 

While it's paused the jagged edges are not terribly noticeable. But when the image starts moving around (e.g. while using Track-IR) the harsh edges start shimmering horribly.

 

That's all that's happening with the shadows in DCS. Even on 'High' they are relatively low resolution and at certain angles they just look like saw-tooths.

 

If you want to dabble with the shadow resolution check this thread....

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=218208

[Sadist_Cain]

that seems like it's an incredibly low framerate especially for those specs, though it could just be an artifact of recording.

 

What are the frames? what resolution are you running?

[derbynew]

Disabling all Shadows and the problem is gone. I think we need a better Shadow Render algorithm to take into account tilting the head and working well with a TrackIR system.

 

I did implement a deadzone to reduce it, but I think I am going to fly without shadows until we get better shadows.

 

Any plans in the future to improve shadows? Especially with TrackIR running...

[petsild]

Increase the shadowmap according to the instructions: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=218208

To reduce shimmering here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=219253&page=2

[Goa]

Alright, here is a video showing just how bad the shimmering is when using a device to track head movements like TrackIR.

 

Its pretty terrible.

 

Notice at 33 seconds, I disable trackir and the image is perfect.

 

 

Surely this is not by design and is unacceptable?

 

honestly, I dont understand what are you talking about, trackir generates stuttering and jittery if the fps are not perfect 60 or 120/higher