Is Anti-Skid supposed to be On for Carrier Ops/Takeoff?

[Snacko]

Just like the title says. I've read that it should be Off, but I get an Advisory on it in the DDI Checklist if it's not On. The manual says it should be Off for Carrier Ops. Is this a bug?

[Frederf]

Apparently off. You'd think they'd have some system that would hide the A/S warning if the airplane knew it was on a carrier (how would it know?) but it turns out not. First thing I thought of, "Oh there's gotta be a way that the airplane knows it's CV ops and not to warn about A/S." Looked in the manual, nope.

[Idle_Wild]

But realistically, how would the A/C know it was on an aircraft carrier?

[BuzzU]

How about the hook by pass switch set to carrier?

[Alphamale]

I thought anti-skid was for landings on the carrier and not necessary for takeoffs

[Alphamale]

How about the hook by pass switch set to carrier?

 

Yeah, that's a good one too..

[BuzzU]

Maybe they want it on for taxing. It sure doesn't need it for launch. Actually, I never could figure out why they need it for take off from an airfield either. You don't use the brakes for takeoff.

[Lieuie]

Maybe they want it on for taxing. It sure doesn't need it for launch. Actually, I never could figure out why they need it for take off from an airfield either. You don't use the brakes for takeoff.

 

I assume it's in case you have to abort the takeoff.

[Repth]

I assume it's in case you have to abort the takeoff.

 

That is the exact reason why.

 

As for carrier ops, the anti skid needs to be off so that you have the maximum amount of break pressure available to you while taxiing on the carrier. With anti skid on, the brake system may not give you what you need when it counts because of it's intended purpose causing collisions or possibly an aircraft going overboard.

[Snacko]

Maybe they want it on for taxing. It sure doesn't need it for launch. Actually, I never could figure out why they need it for take off from an airfield either. You don't use the brakes for takeoff.

Manual says even if it's On, it's not engaged under 10 knots.

 

Anti-Skid Switch. The anti-skid circuit prevents brake application on landing until wheel

speed is over 50 knots, or if a wet runway delays wheel spin-up, 3 seconds after

touchdown. A locked wheel protection circuit releases the brakes if the speed of one main

wheel is 40% of the other main wheel. The locked wheel protection circuit is disabled at

about 35 knots. The anti-skid system is totally disabled below 10 knots. Anti-skid is used

for airfield operation, but not for carrier operations.

Maybe the Checklist page is just for 'general' takeoff's and you need to know the difference yourself? The manual doesn't say if the Checklist page is for Runway or Carrier takeoffs.. So it's probably both?

Edited November 16, 2018 by Snacko

[Raisuli]

Maybe they want it on for taxing. It sure doesn't need it for launch. Actually, I never could figure out why they need it for take off from an airfield either. You don't use the brakes for takeoff.

 

You hope you don't need the brakes on takeoff. Some days don't go as well as others, and you're really glad its set because you're a little bit busy with other things.

 

On a carrier you don't use brakes for landing. It's not really a landing, it's a touch-and-go. If the brakes lock up on launch you don't want them to be effective, and taxiing should never be fast enough to need it.

 

Personally I like landing without the anti-skid. Much easier to do reverse j-turns and taxi down the runway backwards; I trick I learned landing the F-5. So many cool things you can do in DCS...

[Alphamale]

You hope you don't need the brakes on takeoff. Some days don't go as well as others, and you're really glad its set because you're a little bit busy with other things.

 

On a carrier you don't use brakes for landing. It's not really a landing, it's a touch-and-go. If the brakes lock up on launch you don't want them to be effective, and taxiing should never be fast enough to need it.

 

Personally I like landing without the anti-skid. Much easier to do reverse j-turns and taxi down the runway backwards; I trick I learned landing the F-5. So many cool things you can do in DCS...

 

HAHA, so the anti-skid prevents those 180 degree half-doughnuts?? Now, I'm never gonna use it...I love spinning around like that...makes for a quick rearm/refuel and then launch :thumbup:

[Raisuli]

HAHA, so the anti-skid prevents those 180 degree half-doughnuts?? Now, I'm never gonna use it...I love spinning around like that...makes for a quick rearm/refuel and then launch :thumbup:

 

Assuming you have tires, and the rims haven't been ground down to the oleos. My plane captain hates it when I do that.

 

Interestingly, and potentially off-topic, I have seal-clubbing mission set up where I take off from France, engage the two German K4s patrolling the channel, then land in England. In a hornet armed with 10 AMMRAMS and 2 9xs. I can say from experience getting shot down by a K4 in an F/A-18 is embarrassing.

 

Anyway, the runways in England are short, so I try to touch at the margin and pretty much ride the brakes all the way to the stop. Even with anti-skid I'm leaving my tires on the marston mat, which makes me wonder about the modeling/landing graphics/etc.

 

Never mind the FOD taking off. I've gone cross-country in an -18 around Maikop (no, it's not pronounced "makeup", look at the Cyrillic spelling)...no FOD damage. I'm telling 'ya, the engines they put in that thing are bulletproof!

[sideshow]

Anti-skid should be off for the ship. The purpose of the advisory, which is different than a caution, is to remind you the switch is off. That's important say, you depart the ship, hit targets over land, and for whatever reason can't make it back to the ship. Scanning the advisories should remind you to flip that switch prior to landing at your divert field. I've seen that scenario play out in real life, but the pilot forgot to engage anti-skid. Ended with a rescue det to the beach to fix the jet which had brake damage, and was off a runway.

[BuzzU]

Carrier: Hook bypass to carrier, anti skid off for takeoff and landing

Land: Hook bypass not to carrier, anti-skid on for takeoff and landing.

 

You guys have a tendency to talk yourselves in circles and never get it quite right.

 

 

Sometimes I fly in circles too.

 

I'm old.

[Alphamale]

Sometimes I fly in circles too.

 

I'm old.

 

I'm with ya :thumbup:

[Wiggo]

Carrier: No Anti-Skid. Its useless there, it does not work under 10kn, and if you move over ten kn on the deck, your in catapult going up or in cable or "bolting". Havent tried, but does pressin "stop" from bit page help for the skid notice. And if it wouldnt, so what. You can alway put it on in the air if its annoying. Checklists are just lists that with you dont brake the plane. It is possible even in IRL (not to mention dcs .. ) for airplane commander, to jump over list "stuff" in case of good reason. (more or less). For example gears dont lock down in airliner-> pilot gets checklist for hammering the gear down -> captain can tell him to jump over prechecks and go straight to actions, if doing not so would be dangerous for example. Pre-flight checklists can in somecases also be done by groundcrew. So this is kinda also question of how much does a DCS player want to roleplay. Does he go trough the list or just press windows+home for example. 

In Airfields: Many times forgot to put on on divert, gets sliperry... nice 360 slides on the ground though Maby we should put on drifitng contest with different planes, on some server! 

Edited January 14, 2023 by Wiggo

[idenwen]

IIRC it was something that anti-skid opens the brake when wheel slip is detected and you never what that on a crowded flight deck.

[Fish]

Anybody found a way to remove the anti-skid warning, without turning it on. ?