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[Dudikoff]

Some one with more knowledge help me here. AWG-9/ AIM-54/F-14 combo as advertised, tracks 24, shoots 6, and each AIM-54 is coded to its own target. Does this just mean Missile EPROMs hold a register that matches a track file in the AWG-9 computer? I was hoping this meant the missile once coded and fired, could not go mad dog on a blue aircraft. Anyone with knowledge help me out here if you can.

 

The coded part sounds like it's related to midcourse target updates (which may or may not be connected with periodical midcourse SARH target illumination flashes as this gets mentioned in the context of Phoenix here and there; e.g. at some point, when the missile starts diving towards the target, instead of using direct midcourse corrections, the SARH guidance is used to get the missile to the correct target before it goes active and at that phase the radar illuminates each target briefly with a different frequency encoded into each missile).

 

Either way, the idea is to get the missile close enough to the assigned target so that one gets locked when the missile gets the command to go active, but if there's a friendly aircraft in that cone along with the target, well.. The missile's radar can't tell whether it locked on to the intended target or a friendly.

Edited January 29, 2019 by Dudikoff

[Naquaii]

The coded part sounds like it's related to midcourse target updates (which may or may not be connected with periodical midcourse SARH target illumination flashes as this gets mentioned in the context of Phoenix here and there; e.g. at some point, when the missile starts diving towards the target, instead of using direct midcourse corrections, the SARH guidance is used to get the missile to the correct target before it goes active and at that phase the radar illuminates each target briefly with a different frequency encoded into each missile).

 

Either way, the idea is to get the missile close enough to the assigned target so that one gets locked when the missile gets the command to go active, but if there's a friendly aircraft in that cone along with the target, well.. The missile's radar can't tell whether it locked on to the intended target or a friendly.

 

Correct, only thing I'd add is that even after the active command the missile IRL could also fall back to SARH illumination if it did not find its target.

 

And in regards to missile being trashed if you lose track before it goes active, yeah, that's how it works.

You could always go lower and look up with the radar and disable the MLC-filter to stop that pesky notching though!

[GGTharos]

Doppler filter disabled = just add instant chaff.

[Esac_mirmidon]

There is a way to know when the misile goes active or the RIO-PILOT should do the math by themselves?

[Naquaii]

Doppler filter disabled = just add instant chaff.

 

The MLC filter doesn't disable the doppler functionality, it just disables the doppler filtering that's done to remove ground clutter which isn't needed when looking up. So chaff will works the same either way.

 

There is a way to know when the misile goes active or the RIO-PILOT should do the math by themselves?

 

Yeah, the target prio numbers on the right side of the targeted track which shows time to impact after launch will start to flash as the missile goes active.

[Esac_mirmidon]

Good to know, thanks Cobra.

[Eldur]

thanks Cobra.

 

Finally their tactics, all having the same picture, worked out

[GGTharos]

The MLC filter doesn't disable the doppler functionality, it just disables the doppler filtering that's done to remove ground clutter which isn't needed when looking up. So chaff will works the same either way.

 

 

Not quite. I can now add clutter to your look-up situation. I won't know that you've disabled the thing, sure, so I guess it's of limited utility, especially considering how chaff is simulated in-game.

[Naquaii]

Not quite. I can now add clutter to your look-up situation. I won't know that you've disabled the thing, sure, so I guess it's of limited utility, especially considering how chaff is simulated in-game.

 

IRL that’s true like you’re saying but a good operator could compensate. DCS chaff doesn’t linger though so it’s unfortunately not something we can simulate really atm.

[Blaze1]

Not quite. I can now add clutter to your look-up situation. I won't know that you've disabled the thing, sure, so I guess it's of limited utility, especially considering how chaff is simulated in-game.

 

IRL that’s true like you’re saying but a good operator could compensate. DCS chaff doesn’t linger though so it’s unfortunately not something we can simulate really atm.

 

In real life the RIO's aspect switch may be of some help, unless the target is dispensing while beaming. I don't know how it'll work in DCS however.

[Shimonu]

Good to know, thanks Cobra.

 

You'll want to check the nick again ;) Several of the members use the same image which is a little confusing as we can see

[Naquaii]

In real life the RIO's aspect switch may be of some help, unless the target is dispensing while beaming. I don't know how it'll work in DCS however.

 

You can also have the TCS do the angle tracking if within TCS range while the radar do ranging. That way it's very hard to shake the track with chaff.

[Blaze1]

Good point.

[Dudikoff]

And in regards to missile being trashed if you lose track before it goes active, yeah, that's how it works.

 

So, the missile won't go active then and go for whatever? It makes sense, but is this possible to do in DCS?

[Esac_mirmidon]

You'll want to check the nick again ;) Several of the members use the same image which is a little confusing as we can see

 

 

LOL didnt notice until this.

[Naquaii]

So, the missile won't go active then and go for whatever? It makes sense, but is this possible to do in DCS?

 

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[Dudikoff]

It will be shortly...!

 

Cool, thanks. I presumed that currently all active radar missiles are sharing the common ED model and I'd expect it doesn't support that feature yet.

[Dino Might]

You can also have the TCS do the angle tracking if within TCS range while the radar do ranging. That way it's very hard to shake the track with chaff.

 

Is this possible with the AIM7 as well? Very interesting. I can see that the RIO will have his hands full, but a competent one is going to be a heck of an asset. I'm starting to understand why FOs call the pilots "just the bus driver."

[Naquaii]

Is this possible with the AIM7 as well? Very interesting. I can see that the RIO will have his hands full, but a competent one is going to be a heck of an asset. I'm starting to understand why FOs call the pilots "just the bus driver."

 

Technically yes, not sure if it will be in at EA though.

[Kedlan]

It will be shortly...!

 

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