F-14 HOTAS mapping?

[viper2097]

Heatblur, could you be so kind to publish the original HOTAS button / switches and /or also your recommendations?

So as long as we are waiting full of joy for releasing the Cat, we could start to make our thoughts about mapping our own HOTAS systems.

Of course, for the pilot as also the RIO...

Thank you very much!

[Victory205]

You will end up changing them after flying a while to determine what is needed and what is not. Depends upon how you will use the aircraft.

 

See NATOPS for the basics though. Put in the work.

[Strikeeagle345]

Victory205 said:

You will end up changing them after flying a while to determine what is needed and what is not. Depends upon how you will use the aircraft.

 

See NATOPS for the basics though. Put in the work.

 

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by Strikeeagle345

[Top Jockey]

Hey Victory205,

 

By the way, sent you a PM the other day.

 

Your insight on the Tomcat would be much appraised if you could share some knowledge in some questions, like for instance, weapons / avionics / etc.

 

So are you available to talk to people, or are you going to tell us to read the NATOPS again ?

 

Thank you.

[Victory205]

Hey Victory205,

 

By the way, sent you a PM the other day.

 

Your insight on the Tomcat would be much appraised if you could share some knowledge in some questions, like for instance, weapons / avionics / etc.

 

So are you available to talk to people, or are you going to tell us to read the NATOPS again ?

 

...

 

 

You asked for classified information on weapons systems and tactics. Not a chance.

 

Being a rude, entitled child when you didn't get it speaks volumes.

 

To everyone else. I will not comment on weapons, weapons systems, tactics, etc. Don't attempt to lecture me about how sensitive information is handled. There are aspects of this business that you will never know about. Adults understand.

[Victory205]

Every other thread you tell everyone to "do some work and read the NATOPS". This is a forum for discussion, not a place to tell everyone to read the NATOPS because you did years ago and used it in real life for years. Real life doesn't apply to his question.

 

 

The NATOPS doesn't cover all of the PC HOTAS setups nor how you should map your HB Tomcat controls to said computer HOTAS...

 

Real life is that you gaming demands aren't my problem. You will have to work it out yourself based on what equipment you have and what you do with the sim after you get the module in hand. Too many of you want everything done for you served on a platter. It is a process that you need to work through.

 

That's life.

[SandMan23]

Wow. Seems some people are quite full of themselves. There are much better ways to respond / address questions or politely say no without being so terse.

[Strikeeagle345]

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Edited March 17, 2021 by Strikeeagle345

[Strikeeagle345]

Heatblur, could you be so kind to publish the original HOTAS button / switches and /or also your recommendations?

So as long as we are waiting full of joy for releasing the Cat, we could start to make our thoughts about mapping our own HOTAS systems.

Of course, for the pilot as also the RIO...

Thank you very much!

 

You will have plenty of time to map and think out your controls once the manual drops.:joystick:

[Top Jockey]

You asked for classified information on weapons systems and tactics. Not a chance.

 

Being a rude, entitled child when you didn't get it speaks volumes.

 

To everyone else. I will not comment on weapons, weapons systems, tactics, etc. Don't attempt to lecture me about how sensitive information is handled. There are aspects of this business that you will never know about. Adults understand.

 

Hello,

 

- well I'm on my late 30's... by PM and by another thread on both times you ignored my questions, without a single word... and despite this I didn't call you rude;

 

- you could have given this straight answer right at the first time;

 

- don't get me wrong, it's just that you keep telling people to read the NATOPS manual for stuff they are not interested at the moment;

 

I don't know how the AIM-9 employment modes / functions / seekerhead behavior / scan pattern / etc. on the F-14 are "sensitive or classified information"... if they are being featured in this very same Heatblur simulation, and were already showed on vídeo :

 

At the video, 01:27:55 - Boresight SCAN and short after, Radar SCAN - that kind of stuff.

 

 

Matters like this were already debated for several times on this forum, like for instance:

 

post #16, #20 and so on:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=227269&page=2

 

post #29

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3701832#post3701832

 

post #22 and so on (related with the F-15, but also about the Tomcat)

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=137416&page=3

 

 

As I'm a long time enthusiast of the F-14 and not a pilot, I was trying to know if my speculative diagram was more or less right, because who would know better than a real F-14 pilot ? That was all.

 

Eitherway, thank you for your time.

Edited January 13, 2019 by Top Jockey

[Shimonu]

This seems like a good way to "scare away" someone that has very interesting information if you just show the proper respect and ask nicely.

[Strikeeagle345]

Shimonu said:

This seems like a good way to "scare away" someone that has very interesting information if you just show the proper respect and ask nicely.

 

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by Strikeeagle345

[viper2097]

As I see, there is a person who could answer this questions within seconds without any investigations. But he don't want to. Ok, thats fine. Not nice, but ok. Unfortunately very sad, because we are all here because we love aircrafts.

I checked out the NATOPS, unfortuantely, you nearly only find it for the D, which has a quite different stick and throttle.

 

However, after 1 hour of searching, I managed to find the following:

 

So this would lead mo to the following, needed binds:

 

Stick:

1: Trigger [button]

2: Bomb release [button]

3: Trim [4 way hat]

4: Weapon select [slider with 4 positions]

5: Flap Wheel [not sure, is it a axis controller like we use for radar elevation in the hornet? Or is it more like a momentary switch?]

6: Chaff dispense [button]

7: AP / NWS [button]

8: AP emergency disengage / disengage SAS system? [button]

 

Throttle:

1: Momentary com switch (back intercom / front radio) [2way momentary switch]

2: Speed brake [2way momentary switch]

3: Wing sweep switch [4 way hat]

 

 

So this seems to be very doable with all our HOTAS.

Unfortunately, there is nearly nothing to find about the RIO.

 

Going through that mapping, some questions are arising for me:

(Maybe Mr. Tomcat is this time so kind to answer them)

1. How can be choosen between Phoenix and Sparrow as both have the same position on the selector? Or is a mixed Sparrow / Phoenix loadout not valid?

2. How to dispense flares?

3. How to uncage / cage / de-select the Sidewinder IR seeker (if locked on a wrong target)?

4. As the radio switch looks like, is there only one active radio channel at one time?

[viper2097]

So this would then be my suggestion so far.

I know that the com is rotated by 90°, but this is the way I have it in all my modules.

Also, if I would not have some things always the same (like wheel brakes with a modifier to airbrakes), the Tomcat could be the first modules that would work without any modifier on the T16000...

T.16000M Tomcat.pdf

[Top Jockey]

As I see, there is a person who could answer this questions within seconds without any investigations. But he don't want to. Ok, thats fine. Not nice, but ok. Unfortunately very sad, because we are all here because we love aircrafts.

I checked out the NATOPS, unfortuantely, you nearly only find it for the D, which has a quite different stick and throttle.

 

However, after 1 hour of searching, I managed to find the following:

 

...

 

So this would lead mo to the following, needed binds:

 

Stick:

1: Trigger [button]

2: Bomb release [button]

3: Trim [4 way hat]

4: Weapon select [slider with 4 positions]

5: Flap Wheel [not sure, is it a axis controller like we use for radar elevation in the hornet? Or is it more like a momentary switch?]

6: Chaff dispense [button]

7: AP / NWS [button]

8: AP emergency disengage / disengage SAS system? [button]

 

Throttle:

1: Momentary com switch (back intercom / front radio) [2way momentary switch]

2: Speed brake [2way momentary switch]

3: Wing sweep switch [4 way hat]

 

 

So this seems to be very doable with all our HOTAS.

Unfortunately, there is nearly nothing to find about the RIO.

 

Going through that mapping, some questions are arising for me:

(Maybe Mr. Tomcat is this time so kind to answer them)

1. How can be choosen between Phoenix and Sparrow as both have the same position on the selector? Or is a mixed Sparrow / Phoenix loadout not valid?

2. How to dispense flares?

3. How to uncage / cage / de-select the Sidewinder IR seeker (if locked on a wrong target)?

4. As the radio switch looks like, is there only one active radio channel at one time?

 

Hello,

 

1.

The choice between Phoenix and Sparrow is done by pressing the switch in, as both of these weapons actually occupy the very same position (named: SP / PH ) in the selector path.

 

3.

The CAGE / SEAM switch, wich controls the AIM-9 seekerhead, is located at the left throttle lever.

 

See: link below, post #36, 2nd picture, left hand side.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=137416&page=4

 

Hope it helps.

Edited January 14, 2019 by Top Jockey

[RaceFuel85]

Whenever someone says a variation of "Check the NATOPS" ..treat it like nothing of value was offered.

 

Because nothing of value was offered.

[Super Grover]

2. How to dispense flares?

2. The pilot has a button to dispense countermeasures - it's the DLC engage / CMS switch on the stick. The type of countermeasure dispensed depends on the ALE-39 flare mode switch in the RIO pit. The switch has three positions: PILOT, NORM, MULT. In PILOT, the DLC/CMS button dispenses single flare. In NORM and MULT, the button commands single chaff.

 

 

4. As the radio switch looks like, is there only one active radio channel at one time?

The pilot's com/mic/ICS switch has four positions: ICS (Intercom), UHF1, UHF2, and BOTH (UHF1 and UHF2)

The RIO radio transmit button is located in the right foot rest (the RIO operates it with his foot), and the radio to transmit is selected with the XMTR SEL switch in the COMM/TACAN panel. The switch has three positions: UHF1, UHF2, and BOTH.

Both radios can receive simultaneously. DCS does not support BOTH for transmit.

[Victory205]

Whenever someone says a variation of "Check the NATOPS" ..treat it like nothing of value was offered.

 

Because nothing of value was offered.

 

Amazing that these fellows were able to find all of this by themselves isn’t it? In doing so, they learned far more than if someone had simply given it to them on a platter. Any responsible parent understands that the more you help, the more you hurt. Might be different if you were going out to fly a real jet with the threat of death or injury, but you aren’t, you are just playing a game. Part of the fun is the journey, not groveling for information to impress your friends. I’m not going to ruin it by holding your hand through every step.

 

The ridiculous histrionics resulted because an individual wanted information to impress his sim-buddies and didn’t get it. Had he, then he would be bragging about how his “badass F14 pilot friend” told him such and such. Hilarious how quickly that turned into the worst bastard on the face of the planet. I kind of enjoyed that. None of the others responded that way.

 

His demand wasn’t the worst. I have received multiple inquiries for information (all self labeled as foriegn) that is sensitive, concurrent with attempts to assure me that none of it is classified. Yeah, right. That’s embarrassingly naive.

 

This is nothing new, and either the people asking for it are unacquainted with what and how sensitive information are handled, or they are something else altogether. You will not get the information from me.

 

If that triggers you, or you think it is rude, then I don’t care. I don’t live in your world.

 

Most get it.

[VampireNZ]

Either I cannot read, or he didn't ask you. Instead of boasting about your past life experience and telling us to read the NATOPS, please go back and read his post. I placed it below and bolded some very KEY WORDS for you to reread and review a few times...

 

Unless I have been mislead my entire life, Heatblur does not equal Victory205.

 

Please step off your high horse...

 

EDIT: Also, in case you missed it. Heatblur mentioned there are defaul HOTAS mappings set when jet releases. This is what Viper is referring to....

 

Lol:megalol::thumbup:

 

To be fair to Victory - that is exactly what you get from your senior aircrew/instructors whenever you ask a question..."Go find the answer in the Flight Manual or applicable manual..you should know where to find that information" etc. etc, so it's prob his default response. Problem is we are not on squadron anymore - this is a PC sim, so telling ppl to 'put in the work' is pretty funny lol. Playing DCS isn't the OP's job man lol.

 

Also he prob doesn't have much experience with PC flight sims, else he would know that you need 'something' to start with regarding HOTAS layout...you can't just jump in the pit when the a/c is released and go 'right....now wtf do I map where for a realistic layout?' lol. Having a 'close' layout to start with is a very good start - which is what the OP was asking, of HB as you state. I have personally already sussed out what is going where on my stick/throttle, what hat to use for Weapon Select, what button to select Phoenix or Sparrow etc, while keeping it as close to real positions as possible.

 

Also for the OP - there is a version of the B NATOPS avail on the interwebs - just google NAVAIR 01-F14AAP-1. Can't remember where I got my copy sry.

 

Attached the stick pic from the B-model -1

 

Edit: So yeah in short, it was just an innocent, 'Go away and try to find that information yourself, and you might learn something along the way' sort of answer. No malice intended, but still amusing for me - as it brought back very similar memories...and usually the response was even more blunt lol.

Edited January 14, 2019 by VampireNZ

[Victory205]

The module will come with solid default mappings, and then everyone will have to change them to their liking and equipment.

 

This is a game when it is fits the answer you want, and this is a realistic simulator when it fits another. I think many of you take it far more seriously than you admit, given what I see here concerning squadrons, air wing “commanders” and so forth. Either way, you don’t want anyone ruining the process by telling you everything that is about to happen on your trip.

 

The real problem is mindset. Someone will provide a layout for something, and twenty people with complain about how something is effed up about it.

 

The key is to enjoy the ride.

[Top Jockey]

Amazing that these fellows were able to find all of this by themselves isn’t it? In doing so, they learned far more than if someone had simply given it to them on a platter. Any responsible parent understands that the more you help, the more you hurt. Might be different if you were going out to fly a real jet with the threat of death or injury, but you aren’t, you are just playing a game. Part of the fun is the journey, not groveling for information to impress your friends. I’m not going to ruin it by holding your hand through every step.

 

The ridiculous histrionics resulted because an individual wanted information to impress his sim-buddies and didn’t get it. Had he, then he would be bragging about how his “badass F14 pilot friend” told him such and such. Hilarious how quickly that turned into the worst bastard on the face of the planet. I kind of enjoyed that. None of the others responded that way.

 

His demand wasn’t the worst. I have received multiple inquiries for information (all self labeled as foriegn) that is sensitive, concurrent with attempts to assure me that none of it is classified. Yeah, right. That’s embarrassingly naive.

 

This is nothing new, and either the people asking for it are unacquainted with what and how sensitive information are handled, or they are something else altogether. You will not get the information from me.

 

...

 

Bragging like you frequently do, when identifying yourself as: a "Tomcat pilot", who "fought MiG-23s", and "knowing USSR pilots such and such" ? :lol:

 

The "sensitive and classified information" lame excuse, have you noticed the 70's and 80's are gone ?

 

In this very same forum anyone has access to a wide range of information on the F-15C, F/A-18C, Mirage 2000C, etc... which are more recent aircraft than the F-14A.

 

 

The kind of matters I intended to ask you before, are featured on vídeo already, got it ?

 

01:27:55 - AIM-9 Sidewinder Boresight SCAN, and short after, Radar SCAN

 

Again

 

post #16, #20 and so on:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=227269&page=2

post #29

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.p...32#post3701832

post #22 and so on (related with the F-15, but also about the Tomcat)

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=137416&page=3

 

 

The justifications you give, are getting more and more ridiculous, but they make sense if one only comes here to brag himself.

Edited January 14, 2019 by Top Jockey

[viper2097]

Thank you VampireNZ, Top Jockey and especially Super Grover very much.

As I have a new module, the first thing I do is to set up my Hotas, then I go on with everything else.

As I know now what is needed for the Cat, I can do that now before release and so I can start a little earlier to have fun with it :).

 

And thank you also Victory205 for... ...I'm sure you'll find in the NATOPS what I'm thanking you for.

[Bad Idea Hat]

This is my somewhat moderately scientific attempt at setting up controls for the T16000M

 

 

I don't have head tracking, so I've bound the stick to view, since I shouldn't need it up front. I'm considering setting up second stick just to do RIO work, unless the Tomcat allows dual binds.

 

 

This is just mine. I don't advocate everyone using this, just a guide for people to get an idea of what might be useful.

[Super Grover]

May I comment one thing? There are no separate controls for flares - the DLC engage/CMS button serves for both dispensing chaff and flares, and what is dispensed is controlled from the RIO pit.

Edited January 14, 2019 by Super Grover

[viper2097]

Wow, I'm very curious how that chaff / flare thing will work then.

Can't imagine now to put that responsibility to another person xD.

 

Another question that comes to my mind, if I dare to ask Super Grover?:

As I see, you are definitely very depending on the RIO. Much more then I ever thought. I like that very much, but when playing multiplayer, is the intercom for voice working that I can talk with the stranger who is sitting there? Maybe even without SRS?

And do I also have the option to lock my rear seat, so that no one pushes Jester out?