Selecting Phoenix/Sparrow missiles in F 14

[Void78]

I was always curious about this.

 

Let's assume I have 4 Sparrows, 2 Phoenix missiles and 2 Sidewinders.

 

On the weapon select switch on the stick there is one position marked as SP/PH

 

How does one go about selecting Phoenix missiles over Sparrows, and vice versa?:D

[Gunslinger22]

I was always curious about this.

 

Let's assume I have 4 Sparrows, 2 Phoenix missiles and 2 Sidewinders.

 

On the weapon select switch on the stick there is one position marked as SP/PH

 

How does one go about selecting Phoenix missiles over Sparrows, and vice versa?:D

 

On the weapons selector you push it down once it is on SP/PH.

[Void78]

On the weapons selector you push it down once it is on SP/PH.

 

 

 

 

Really?

 

I thought that selector switch just has 4 sliding positions-Off/GUN/SW/(SP/PH)

 

Are you saying that in fourth position (SP/PH) you can depress selector switch?

 

If that is the case can it be depressed on other positions-/GUN/SW/?:joystick:

[Victory205]

No, only PH/SP was a push in switch, but you had to push down to go from off to gun and gun to off as well. Not a good design.

 

You can use the sidewinder tone to know where you are, until you’re out of winders.

 

Map your controller as a up and down accordingly, and right for “in”.

[Void78]

No, only PH/SP was a push in switch, but you had to push down to go from off to gun and gun to off as well. Not a good design.

 

You can use the sidewinder tone to know where you are, until you’re out of winders.

 

Map your controller as a up and down accordingly, and right for “in”.

 

 

Thank you very much guys. U have been most helpful.

 

I have wondered about this for ages, and would have never guessed.

 

Concerning pushing down weapons selector to go from off to gun makes sense to me-Extra safety.

 

Although, HUD in F 14 is a bare bone, it is my assumption (based on yt vids),

 

that it gives you all necessary information in BVR and ACM regimes, including

 

 

position of weapons selector.

 

G X /SW X /SP X/ PH X;where X is the number of remaining missiles, and gun rounds (if gun selected in hundreds of rounds)

[Naquaii]

It's correct that for the SP/PH option you need to depress the selector.

Additionally the depress can also be used to cycle selected Sidewinder.

 

The depress to move out of safety feature is however difficult to implement in a simulator.

[Top Jockey]

It's correct that for the SP/PH option you need to depress the selector.

Additionally the depress can also be used to cycle selected Sidewinder.

 

The depress to move out of safety feature is however difficult to implement in a simulator.

 

Very good, that one about the Sidewinder I didn't know.

For a 70's plane it's really full of little technical quirks.

 

Even though one knows the iconic Tomcat from long time ago since our youth, little secrets keep showing.

 

In many aspects the Tomcat really was a technology showcase.

[Victory205]

It's correct that for the SP/PH option you need to depress the selector.

Additionally the depress can also be used to cycle selected Sidewinder.

 

The depress to move out of safety feature is however difficult to implement in a simulator.

 

Yes, forgot to mention that. Supposedly, Tim Dorsey stepped from a bad Aim-9 to a good one when he shot down a USAF F4C. God gave him one more chance to not foul up, but he blew it anyway.

 

It is a myth that all fighter pilots are good.

 

This is pretty close to the real story. The nitwit had actually intercepted the Phatom on a tanker before he made his run on the ship.

 

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/that-time-a-navy-f-14-accidentally-on-purpose-shot-down-an-air-force-f-4-during-an-exercise

[turkeydriver]

Yes, forgot to mention that. Supposedly, Tim Dorsey stepped from a bad Aim-9 to a good one when he shot down a USAF F4C. God gave him one more chance to not foul up, but he blew it anyway.

 

It is a myth that all fighter pilots are good.

 

This is pretty close to the real story. The nitwit had actually intercepted the Phatom on a tanker before he made his run on the ship.

 

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/that-time-a-navy-f-14-accidentally-on-purpose-shot-down-an-air-force-f-4-during-an-exercise

 

Tragic. That Phantom driver had to live with a disability and somehow the tomcat driver eventually gets recommended for Admiral.....just weird.

[Victory205]

Tragic. That Phantom driver had to live with a disability and somehow the tomcat driver eventually gets recommended for Admiral.....just weird.

 

A Kill is a kill...

 

We sent a jet to BHM for an air show static display after the incident. They had a squadron of RF4C’s stationed there in the ANG. As our crew walked into their ops, everyone dove behind the nearest desk...

 

The promotion was quite controversial. Think the guy was also going to run for political office at one time, until the story came out.

 

Anyway, you can step the sidewinder stations if you need to. :smilewink:

[Dudikoff]

Tragic. That Phantom driver had to live with a disability and somehow the tomcat driver eventually gets recommended for Admiral.....just weird.

 

Yeah, his stupidity ruined another man's life and he got away with it.

 

But, the poor pilot was technically from the Air Force and he survived the incident, so perhaps it wasn't considered exactly as shooting down a friendly in some of the higher Navy circles at the time given the rivalry and the budget wars, especially for an admiral's son.

Edited February 2, 2019 by Dudikoff

[Void78]

Yes, forgot to mention that. Supposedly, Tim Dorsey stepped from a bad Aim-9 to a good one when he shot down a USAF F4C. God gave him one more chance to not foul up, but he blew it anyway.

 

It is a myth that all fighter pilots are good.

 

This is pretty close to the real story. The nitwit had actually intercepted the Phatom on a tanker before he made his run on the ship.

 

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/that-time-a-navy-f-14-accidentally-on-purpose-shot-down-an-air-force-f-4-during-an-exercise

 

 

My guess is that the man did get to fly F 14 in the first place because of

who his father was (James Dorsey, a prominent figure in the Naval aviation community. In 1987, Dorsey was the captain of the USS America, a supercarrier).

 

Classic case of nepotism.

[Victory205]

My guess is that the man did get to fly F 14 in the first place because of

who his father was (James Dorsey, a prominent figure in the Naval aviation community. In 1987, Dorsey was the captain of the USS America, a supercarrier).

 

Classic case of nepotism.

 

There is no evidence that he didn’t have the grades to qualify in the community, and he did pay a high price, losing his wings. Kept after it in a different part of the Navy and did well, so I’ll give him that. His defense was that you obey orders, and technically, he was ordered to splash the F4, he just didn’t get the whole, “this is an exercise” idea for some reason. No one briefed “now boys and girls, we really aren’t going to shoot down anyone today”.

 

The whole thing happened within sight of the ship too. Classic. It wasn’t a bomb run either, they had already called the Boss for a standard “fly by”.

 

The idea that it had to do with inter service rivalry is risible.

[Void78]

There is no evidence that he didn’t have the grades to qualify in the community, and he did pay a high price, losing his wings. Kept after it in a different part of the Navy and did well, so I’ll give him that. His defense was that you obey orders, and technically, he was ordered to splash the F4, he just didn’t get the whole, “this is an exercise” idea for some reason. No one briefed “now boys and girls, we really aren’t going to shoot down anyone today”.

 

The whole thing happened within sight of the ship too. Classic. It wasn’t a bomb run either, they had already called the Boss for a standard “fly by”.

 

The idea that it had to do with inter service rivalry is risible.

 

 

Honestly, we don't know what really happened, and can only speculate.Personally, I take everything what I read regardless of source with a grain of salt (that's an understatement).

 

 

It's just that tragedy's, that are caused by lack of common sense (and in general) make me angry. It is that lack of clear thought in stressful situation(if things happened as they say they did)

 

that made me doubt his capability as a pilot. Grades do not show everything (example-Francis Stanley "Gabby" Gabreski whose grades did, pardon my French, sucked, and the man ended up being one of the highest scoring allied aces).

[Victory205]

We know exactly what happened. RIO, training grades, etc all told the story.

 

Ejections are often brutal.

[Void78]

We know exactly what happened. RIO, training grades, etc all told the story.

 

Ejections are often brutal.

 

 

No, we do not. All we know is what we have read.

 

It is known that the army/navy are very open, honest, truthful and transparent

organizations.

Oh, wait....:P

[Victory205]

No, we do not. All we know is what we have read.

 

It is known that the army/navy are very open, honest, truthful and transparent

organizations.

Oh, wait....:P

 

All you know is what you have read my friend.

[Dudikoff]

The idea that it had to do with inter service rivalry is risible.

 

I never suggested the F-4 was shot down due to the inter-service rivalry; it's quite clearly spelled in the article what happened and why.

 

It was simply a joke at the idea of some higher echelons of the Navy mocking the incident amongst themselves as a win or even giving the admiral's son a pat on the back or whatever (e.g. a situation which would fit movies Hot Shots or Pentagon Wars). All I suggested was that such a situation might not have been that far fetched given the rivalry context, but I didn't add a smiley at the end as it seemed bad taste given the later fate of the poor USAF guy.

Edited February 2, 2019 by Dudikoff

[Eldur]

It's correct that for the SP/PH option you need to depress the selector.

Additionally the depress can also be used to cycle selected Sidewinder.

 

The depress to move out of safety feature is however difficult to implement in a simulator.

 

Well you could do it like ED did with the Maverick slew. Just 3 commands: Up, Down and In (depress)

 

Initial state for step in brackets

(Off) Up = nothing happens

(Off) In + Up = Gun

(Gun) Up = SW

(SW) In = the other SW

(SW) Up = selector goes to PH/SP, still SW selected

(PH/SP) In = PH/SP actually selected

etc...

 

But who actually wants to press 2 buttons at the same time? It's technically possible though - make it an option, just like ED did with the Mav slew

 

Yeah, his stupidity ruined another man's life and he got away with it.

 

I know quite some people who did just that. Nothing anyone could be proud of. Worst case is when they're not even getting aware of what they did...

 

As for the incident: Ejections alone can literally destroy the spine.

Edited February 2, 2019 by Eldur

[wholehawg]

Honestly, we don't know what really happened, and can only speculate.Personally, I take everything what I read regardless of source with a grain of salt (that's an understatement).

 

 

It's just that tragedy's, that are caused by lack of common sense (and in general) make me angry. It is that lack of clear thought in stressful situation(if things happened as they say they did)

 

that made me doubt his capability as a pilot. Grades do not show everything (example-Francis Stanley "Gabby" Gabreski whose grades did, pardon my French, sucked, and the man ended up being one of the highest scoring allied aces).

 

 

I agree and would add that this was as much a failure in training and the Ops Briefing as it was the pilots error. Anyone that has ever flown and been under stress can attest to the fact that clear thinking severely compromised.

[probad]

Grades do not show everything (example-Francis Stanley "Gabby" Gabreski whose grades did, pardon my French, sucked, and the man ended up being one of the highest scoring allied aces).

how does one number (killcount) make more a measure of a man than another number (grades)?

 

dick bong got lucky and got to abuse stupid (by his own admission) jousts against flimsy japanese aircraft. would he have been a great ace had he wound up in the eto??? he ended up getting himself killed because he just couldnt follow procedure -- death gave him a second chance and he blew it. did his killcount mean anything when his p-80 fell out of the sky?

[Voyager]

I expect Bong would have done well in either theater, though the issues of the P-:38 likely would have limited his ability to operate that aircraft there. There were many other P-38 pilots who were not able to "abuse headons with the stupidly flimsy Japanese fighters" as you put it, and many more, early in the war who would avoid the head-on and its risks in favor of the turn fight and discover themselves the ones abused.