I need a VR computer!

[Wmacky]

Guys, I need help!

 

 

I'm just frozen in place, and have been for 6 months. I've had a Pimax 5K+ for months now, that is unused because of my current VR computer. I have to do something but I keep hearing that now is the worst time to upgrade.

 

 

 

Here's my situation.

 

 

MY Current VR computer was built to original rift recommendations:

 

 

I5 4690K, 8gb memory, 970 card.

 

 

 

I have a barely tested / used 5K+ getting as low as 3 FPS in some games

 

 

Looking at adding a HP reverb to the mix

 

 

I'm soon finishing a new multipurpose 8020 racing / flight cockpit with transducers, and 4 D-box style platform movers. Complete with all Virpil / Slaw gear.

 

 

 

I still lack the computer but I'm lost as how to proceed. I'm told I should hold off on the MB / CPU as a whole new faster bus system is soon to drop, so a current expensive I7 / I9 9000+ processor system will soon be obsolete. I know thing will always change, but this is supposed to be significant.

 

 

I also need a GPU, but the current 2080 TI is a big disappointment in the cost / performance relationship, I would like to get a 2080 to scrape by until something better comes / OR ATI adds competition, BUT I understand DCS struggles even with the 2080TI.

 

 

 

A DCS Update is coming but will it be enough for a 2080 + a Pimax or HP Reverb?

 

 

I understand tht DCS also needs top CPU performance!

 

 

Do I upgrade the system even with a buss change coming? Do I go all the way to the I9 9000 + chips plus all the other stuff for it? If so how much do I reuse from this current 3 year old VR computer, or start from scratch once again?

 

 

Any recommendations? I'm not afraid to spent big on hobbies, but I don't like feeling exploited, or receive poor value for my hard earned cash

 

Lost :helpsmilie:

Edited April 27, 2019 by Wmacky

[Wmacky]

OR

 

 

I could just do this?

 

 

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Stratos-i9-9900K-GeForce-Windows-Computer/dp/B07HRV4G8T/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?keywords=RTX+2080+Ti&qid=1556330906&s=electronics&sr=1-2-spons&psc=1

 

 

 

 

I built my last computer, but I'm no expert builder and had issue to work out. Could I do ,any better building? That looks pretty TOTL to me?

 

 

 

That would allow me to sell my current computer + Rift and make some money back?

[Wmacky]

Huh? Why did you delete your post? What does sniped by OP mean?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, doesn't seem to be much comment. I thought you sim guys were the gaming PC experts and would have a lot to say? At this point I guess I just to buy the stuff and not think about it. I am deciding whether to build or buy already built. I have a lot to do to finish the cockpit, and don't really feel like yet another research / acquire / build project. Getting burnt out!

Edited April 27, 2019 by Wmacky

[etherbattx]

i just picked up a 9600K on sale.

what’s this buss change you mentioned?

 

is my 9600K out of date already?

[FragBum]

Clearly your um my 9600K is out of date,.. :P :)

 

Well there is the problem with bleeding edge no time is really right it's just some times are less "right". :cry:

 

To be fair your systems specs for DCS Pimax are somewhat low bro, sorry to say.

 

There are several threads on the forum related to Primax and reading between the lines most are O/C 5GHz and really fast RAM and yep mostly 2080Ti's Although agree on price performance for the 2080Ti. Yes it's better but what a price,..

 

Threads related to Pimax,..

 

I think a lot pf people are waiting to see what drops on the table from AMD as well as other "code" improvements eventuate.

 

nVidia may also announce a "new" GPU (after all we sponsored their R&D)

 

Minimum

new motherboard

fast RAM

high end GPU

SSD

 

You clearly have the VR HMD already. :thumbup:

 

TBH whilst your system may support other titles perhaps in rift or Reverb your current rig falls a tad short for DCS minimum VR specs.

[FragBum]

That rig doesn't seem super special and specs are vague, one part says 1TB SSD the next part of the specs says 500GB

 

RAM is only 2666Mhz

 

What level of 2080Ti is it

 

What motherboard is it.

 

Cabling could be neater, just saying. ;)

 

Do you have a friend that can help build a PC with you?

[Svsmokey]

Huh? Why did you delete your post? What does sniped by OP mean?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, doesn't seem to be much comment. I thought you sim guys were the gaming PC experts and would have a lot to say? At this point I guess I just to buy the stuff and not think about it. I am deciding whether to build or buy already built. I have a lot to do to finish the cockpit, and don't really feel like yet another research / acquire / build project. Getting burnt out!

 

In this case , it means while writing my response , you made another post that made mine irrelevant :)

 

Yes , with so much going on , you may wish to buy a pre-build .

 

Yes , you will wait forever if you delay for the next big thing . It's the nature of the beast .

[Wmacky]

OK then. Some responses thanks!

 

 

Yes I know my current rig is worthless for current purpose, but it was fine when the rift was released! For the Pimx - Not so much

 

 

Here's what I decided:

 

 

 

I want a I9 -9900, 32 MB ram good ram ,1TB SSD,

 

 

Can I built a better PC for much less than price as that pre built?

 

 

If so, anyone willing to help pick out a water cooler, MB, ram, etc?

 

 

 

 

I found a cheaper 2080 TI. Any reason not to get it? ( considering I want good bang for the buck! to leave room for a future upgrade)

 

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814932064

Edited April 27, 2019 by Wmacky

[Tinkickef]

OK then. Some responses thanks!

 

 

Yes I know my current rig is worthless for current purpose, but it was fine when the rift was released! For the Pimx - Not so much

 

 

Here's what I decided:

 

 

 

I want a I9 -9900, 32 MB ram good ram ,1TB SSD,

 

 

Can I built a better PC for much less than price as that pre built?

 

 

If so, anyone willing to help pick out a water cooler, MB, ram, etc?

 

 

 

 

I found a cheaper 2080 TI. Any reason not to get it? ( considering I want good bang for the buck! to leave room for a future upgrade)

 

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814932064

 

 

1. That 2080TI looks like a very good price to me, however I live in Europe and there would be 20% VAT to be added on at customs. That's an extra $240-ish. Something to consider if you live in an area where sales tax is added above the sticker price.

 

2. The thing about custom build over pre build is that pre builds are usually built to a price with overheads added on. You are paying someone to build it got instance.

 

They keep a keen price by adding great "artillery pieces" like CPU, GPU, Case ect. Where they meet their build price is with the "small arms" that no one looking to buy a pre build usually pays attention to. Stuff like budget, unbranded PSU, generic RAM, cheap as chips cooling fans, unbranded or lower end cooling solutions, tending towards air cooling with low spec coolers.

Obviously, even if the CPU and bios allow it, the marginal power and cooling will make any overclocking difficult. That means you need to buy another CPU sooner....

 

Custom builds depending on the builder, certainly enthusiastic builders, tend to have a far higher percentage of (perceived) high quality and higher spec parts. This is due to the builder researching the specs of each part and adding a little overhead above the requirements needed at this moment, plus the kudos factor. You don't want to build a PC knowing its a mish mash of barely adequate parts, there is little satisfaction in that.

 

Also, many still perfectly good parts will be stripped out to use in the next build, saving money the next time.

I have a round robin type of planned upgrade - my venerable 980TI went into two different cases until it was replaced by the 2080TI. It also saw two PSUs, one from an earlier build (650TI) but planned to power the rumoured 980TI with a decent overhead (650w), and the next designed to power the 2080TI with a decent overhead (850w). This when everyone expected it to be called the 1180TI.

The 2080TI will eventually be powered by a different CPU and RAM. That CPU and RAM will eventually run the grandson of my 2080TI, and round it goes.

 

This way I am only replacing items that need to be upgraded as required, not the full system.

 

Pre builders don't want that, they want you to buy another PC. Also, I have tried upgrading pre builds in the past and it is often a nightmare as they often have maker specific connection solutions ect, or the case is not designed for water cooling, extra fans, longer GPUs ect.

Edited April 27, 2019 by Tinkickef

[FragBum]

Interesting thing I see the OC clock for the 2080Ti cards have been pulled back, interesting. however in general a 2080Ti is a 2080Ti at the end of the day.

 

Looking over the Pimax posts most users have high end systems and still struggle in some situations with DCS so I'm just putting it out there that whilst it will improve your situation even a high end build is no magic bullet. :thumbup:

 

Whats you intention build and use or build and overclock?

 

9900K

 

32GB DDR4

 

1 TB SSD (SATA wired or NVMe M.2 doesn't make a lot of difference once DCS is loaded.)

 

motherboard.

 

I don't have great visibility of the US market so those with local experience may be better able to help. :thumbup:

[Quadg]

f-4hxNKvEY0

 

that explains what is going on with the chips this year.

although intel does not look like it will drop the 10nm chips this year..

so look out for the AMD.

 

it also does not cover the security flaws that are in the intel architecture.

they keep finding more and every one keeps costing a little speed.

im sure my chip has lost 10-15% at least if I look at performance from old games.

 

why I don't want a 9xxx chip. same problems. for intel wait for the 10nm to drop.

 

the good news is my rig will last a little longer as we don't need to replace every 2 years..

I have made my own rigs since 1995.

 

this is actually the oldest one I have ever had :)

[dburne]

I went from an I7 4820k @ 4.5 GHz to an i9 9900k @ 5.1 GHz, 32 GB 3200 MHz DDR4 ram with a Z390 MB. Also have a 2080 Ti GPU.

 

I was very pleased with the performance improvement it gave me over the old system.

[boedha68]

The overclock rate from the CPU gives DCS juice. Same with my CPU from 3.9 GHz to manual to 4.5 GHz. I got so far with new grizzly thermopaste. :D meanwhile i am very curious what AMD offers with the upcoming ryzen 3000 chips before i build a new computer. :D

Edited April 27, 2019 by boedha68

[Wmacky]

I guess I'll put together a list and start buying. I haven't researched since I built this last one. I'm not up to speed and current choices and have no idea what to choose. Waht a PITA this is going to be!

 

 

I will start with the GPU.

 

 

I'm looking for the cheapest 2080TI I can get until the next gen GPUs come along, unless there isn't some known issue. your reason why I shouldn't? I know knowing about different model 2080TI's and why there would be any difference?

 

 

Can someone explain?

 

 

I'm about to buy this one. I'm in the US. No VAT or state taxes and free shipping. Someone stop me if this is a bad idea.

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814932064&ignorebbr=1

 

 

Edit : and here is one even cheaper.

 

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814932079&Description=2080%20ti&cm_re=2080_ti-_-14-932-079-_-Product

 

 

 

 

 

THen next up will be the case /Motherboard.

Edited April 27, 2019 by Wmacky

[boedha68]

Gigabyte has not the best cooling. Spend more and go for MSI or Asus. Cooler and just less noise. But that’s my opinion. I have done my research well. :D

[hansangb]

Huh? Why did you delete your post? What does sniped by OP mean?

 

Anyway, doesn't seem to be much comment. I thought you sim guys were the gaming PC experts and would have a lot to say? At this point I guess I just to buy the stuff and not think about it. I am deciding whether to build or buy already built. I have a lot to do to finish the cockpit, and don't really feel like yet another research / acquire / build project. Getting burnt out!

 

 

Sniping is a last minute bid on auction sites that locks you out of a bid. So in this case, your posting a complete rig on amazon is what he was going to post "buy a ready made PC" presumably. So it became redundant.

 

So you, the OP (original poster) made his comment unnecessary

Edited April 27, 2019 by hansangb

[Tinkickef]

I guess I'll put together a list and start buying. I haven't researched since I built this last one. I'm not up to speed and current choices and have no idea what to choose. Waht a PITA this is going to be!

 

 

I will start with the GPU.

 

 

I'm looking for the cheapest 2080TI I can get until the next gen GPUs come along, unless there isn't some known issue. your reason why I shouldn't? I know knowing about different model 2080TI's and why there would be any difference?

 

 

Can someone explain?

 

 

I'm about to buy this one. I'm in the US. No VAT or state taxes and free shipping. Someone stop me if this is a bad idea.

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814932064&ignorebbr=1

 

 

Edit : and here is one even cheaper.

 

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814932079&Description=2080%20ti&cm_re=2080_ti-_-14-932-079-_-Product

 

 

 

 

 

THen next up will be the case /Motherboard.

 

 

The first on your list is the factory overclock version, so the CPU should have been binned to ensure it can cope with the extra performance. It is faster than your second choice, which is why it is more expensive.

 

Case. Go for a full ATX tower case. It will have plenty of room for your kit, plus far better cooling than a small form factor case. In DCS your PC will be producing a lot of heat.

 

I had heat build up problems with a previous case and bought the one below. It lowered some of my temps by 15 - 20 degrees in summer, has some impressive features /build quality and represents excellent value. Be warned though, it is very large if you find space at a premium.

Still, my 300mm radiator was a breeze to fit in the top and all inlet air is dust filtered...

 

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16811139060

Edited April 27, 2019 by Tinkickef

[hansangb]

Guys, I need help!

 

 

I'm just frozen in place, and have been for 6 months. I've had a Pimax 5K+ for months now, that is unused because of my current VR computer. I have to do something but I keep hearing that now is the worst time to upgrade.

 

Here's my situation.

MY Current VR computer was built to original rift recommendations:

I5 4690K, 8gb memory, 970 card.

I have a barely tested / used 5K+ getting as low as 3 FPS in some games

Looking at adding a HP reverb to the mix

 

I'm soon finishing a new multipurpose 8020 racing / flight cockpit with transducers, and 4 D-box style platform movers. Complete with all Virpil / Slaw gear.

I still lack the computer but I'm lost as how to proceed. I'm told I should hold off on the MB / CPU as a whole new faster bus system is soon to drop, so a current expensive I7 / I9 9000+ processor system will soon be obsolete. I know thing will always change, but this is supposed to be significant.

 

I also need a GPU, but the current 2080 TI is a big disappointment in the cost / performance relationship, I would like to get a 2080 to scrape by until something better comes / OR ATI adds competition, BUT I understand DCS struggles even with the 2080TI.

 

A DCS Update is coming but will it be enough for a 2080 + a Pimax or HP Reverb?

 

I understand tht DCS also needs top CPU performance!

 

Do I upgrade the system even with a buss change coming? Do I go all the way to the I9 9000 + chips plus all the other stuff for it? If so how much do I reuse from this current 3 year old VR computer, or start from scratch once again?

 

 

Any recommendations? I'm not afraid to spent big on hobbies, but I don't like feeling exploited, or receive poor value for my hard earned cash

 

Lost :helpsmilie:

 

Since $2700 or so is not an insurmountable sum of money, you can have a pick of the litter. Essentially, it comes down to get the fastest CPU, memory, and video card that you can afford.

 

The devil in the detail goes into things like "is AMD better than Intel" And I think for gaming, Intel wins.

 

Is Nvidia better than other vendors? I think most will tell you that Nvidia is better. Though some will say that 2080Ti is not as much of an upgrade as 1080Ti. The thing is, for VR, you are looking for the fastest components. So 2080Ti *IS* better than 1080Ti. Again, assuming money isn't the deciding factor, which it doesn't seem to be.

 

As for memory, there can be some trade offs in speed an latency. Again, you don't have to go crazy and I'm convinced that no human playing a game will notice the difference. Look at the HW specs of posters here, who have good experience with Pimax/Rift/Odyssey/Vive and you'll get a feel for it.

 

There is also a dedicate forum for PC/Hardware where this topic comes up every week. You can do some reading there (see below)

 

Also, you can see what "gaming rig" companies are doing with links like this: https://www.pcgamer.com/best-gaming-pc/

 

The recurring theme is, 2080Ti, SSD (1TB) is a MUST. NVMe, not so much. For DCS, there is zero difference betwen using SSD and NVMe. I tested it.

 

For memory, I would *HIGHLY HIGHLY* recommend 32GBs DDR4s. 3200MHz. I saw a video on YT where someone took the time to run the same game using different speeds of memory *in* VR. And the higher speed made a difference. Again, things like CAS can play a role here, but I'd rather not go down yet another rabbit hole. So for VR, speed of RAM seems to matter more than playing games on 2D monitors.

 

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[Wmacky]

All good stuff. Thanks! maybe this could be fun after all?

 

 

Yes - 32GBs DDR4s. 3200MHz is of the list. Anyone want to recommend a actual product for this?

 

 

I think Have decided on a case, and I'm still looking at the first 2080 TI I posted. Heara the list so far.

 

 

Feel free to recommend options

 

 

1 Case - https://www.amazon.com/Lian-Li-PC-O11DX-Tempered-Computer/dp/B07F2R5TFQ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Lian+Li+PC-O11DX+011&qid=1556385997&s=electronics&sr=1-1

 

 

2 Video card - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814932064&ignorebbr=1

 

 

3. CPU - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117957&Description=i9&cm_re=i9-_-19-117-957-_-Product

 

 

4. Memory - 32GBs DDR4s. 3200MHz - ????????

 

 

5. SSD - 1TB - ????????

 

 

6. PS - ???????

 

 

 

7. MB? - ??????

 

 

8. Water cooler-https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835553027

Edited April 27, 2019 by Wmacky

[Tinkickef]

Gonna be a bit cramped and hot under the collar with that case in my view.

 

GPU fine.

 

I9 9900K. Don is your experienced user here, he is running one and seems happy with it.

 

Edit. I see he put in his recommendation earlier. :)

Edited April 27, 2019 by Tinkickef

[dburne]

Gonna be a bit cramped and hot under the collar with that case in my view.

 

GPU fine.

 

I9 9900K. Don is your experienced user here, he is running one and seems happy with it.

 

Edit. I see he put in his recommendation earlier. :)

 

Yeah very pleased with my rig.

Now if DCS would just implement that app 50% improvement for VR I will be golden.

[hansangb]

All good stuff. Thanks! maybe this could be fun after all?

 

 

Yes - 32GBs DDR4s. 3200MHz is of the list. Anyone want to recommend a actual product for this?

 

 

I think Have decided on a case, and I'm still looking at the first 2080 TI I posted. Heara the list so far.

 

 

Feel free to recommend options

 

 

1 Case - https://www.amazon.com/Lian-Li-PC-O11DX-Tempered-Computer/dp/B07F2R5TFQ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Lian+Li+PC-O11DX+011&qid=1556385997&s=electronics&sr=1-1

 

 

2 Video card - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814932064&ignorebbr=1

 

 

3. CPU - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117957&Description=i9&cm_re=i9-_-19-117-957-_-Product

 

 

4. Memory - 32GBs DDR4s. 3200MHz - ????????

 

 

5. SSD - 1TB - ????????

 

 

6. PS - ???????

 

 

 

7. MB? - ??????

 

 

8. Water cooler-https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835553027

 

 

Most SSD's will work. I'm partial to Samsung EVO or Pro line. Again, for DCS, I doubt anyone will be able to tell the difference.

 

MB? It'll be a function of the CPU. So 9900K will be Z390 series. Again, a religious discussion. I'm partial to EVGA.

 

Dont' skimp on the powersupply. Platinum or Titanium, more than 850W.

 

I've not heard that water cooler company. I've used Thermaltake and like it.

 

Memory vendors? You probably can't go wrong with any of the popular ones. Corsair is what I have, but others will work just as good.

 

Also, I'm not a fan of the mid tower cases. You may find it a bit tight...that 2080Ti is a big GPU.

 

Finally, invest in a GPU support bracket. I hate seeing the GPU sagging. I just used a leftover lumber that I had, but they do make purpose built brackets.

[Wmacky]

Updated list:

 

 

 

 

1 Case - https://www.amazon.com/Lian-Li-PC-O1...tronics&sr=1-1

 

 

2 Video card - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...64&ignorebbr=1

 

 

3. CPU - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-957-_-Product

 

 

4. Memory - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820236454

 

 

5. SSD - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820250088&ignorebbr=1&source=region&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Solid+State+Disk-_-N82E16820250088&gclid=Cj0KCQjwnpXmBRDUARIsAEo71tSW3Cp1ESeVKjiCw3IlzdbpVLZ7VcrYmt019BQdhXxjjeJOckdxEH4aApmmEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

 

6. PS - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139234

 

 

7. MB? - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145098&ignorebbr=1

 

 

8. Water cooler- https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835553027

 

 

 

What else?

 

 

Not sure about WIN 10, Perhaps someone could PM me with the least expensive place to purchase?

 

 

 

 

Looks like the total will be just a little less than the Prebuilt.

 

 

 

It's alot of money. I hope the Ryzen Zen 2 release doesn't make it a poor choice. Sould I wait on the AMD final anouncement / Pricing??????

Edited April 28, 2019 by Wmacky

[dburne]

Personally with a 2080 Ti I would go 1000w on the power supply. Those cards use a lot of power.

But that is just my opinion. I always like to have too much.

 

Can't seem to see the cooler so do not know which one. I put a Corsair H150i Pro on my 9900k and very glad I did.

 

I personally prefer full tower cases, but again that is just me.

Z390 and i9 9900k is a great combo.

[Wmacky]

Personally with a 2080 Ti I would go 1000w on the power supply. Those cards use a lot of power.

But that is just my opinion. I always like to have too much.

 

Can't seem to see the cooler so do not know which one. I put a Corsair H150i Pro on my 9900k and very glad I did.

 

I personally prefer full tower cases, but again that is just me.

Z390 and i9 9900k is a great combo.

 

 

Updated the cooler link!

 

 

 

 

Would it be worth dropping down to the I7 9700K to save $100, and extra heat? I understand for VR / Gaming, the performance is the same?