My wish list? No more planes for now.

[Xilon_x]

We cannot compare DCS to FSX or XPLANE simulators we are in a simulator that in addition to simulating flight simulates war with all its armaments so the buisness system is different. Perhaps you could COMPARED DCS to FALCON4.0 or IL-2 that have similar systems.

[David OC]

We don't compare other sims here.

 

ED is running their own business and it's a lot different to all the others.

 

You cannot have both. No need to stop the plane coders / engineers to help out with the new engine and get it perfect/Better. Everyone wants this new engine, better optimization, vulkan api etc. That's a huge task and possibly even more bugs along the way to get there (Good stable level thing....Always something to do....).:cry:

 

You cannot stop the other coders and get them to help here I believe. The guy's coding the engine have been deep into it and the bug's for years. Adding more coders would slow it down possibly for a long time.

 

 

EDIT: Also try and look at this from an engineers point of view a little. Why fix blah, blah and blah when we are rewiring the code for blah, blah and blah systems and will need to rewrite all that again for the new vulkan engine and api's etc.

Edited June 2, 2019 by David OC

[Kongamato]

ED has not "promise" nothing, as Wags and Nineline has talk over and over, only has plans and no write in stone.

 

Copy that. So, when someone from ED says "We are working in that update/bug fix", it´s not "writen in stone" and we should not believe it because maybe it´s not going to be done. Thanks a lot, Silver Dragon, for your sincerity.

[Bogey Jammer]

Which improvements have and continue to be made.

Can you comment the status of NS430, Yak-52 and Normandy terrain ?

[Silver_Dragon]

Can you comment the status of NS430, Yak-52 and Normandy terrain ?

 

For Normandy terrain need talk with Ugra-Media, not ED.

[Silver_Dragon]

Copy that. So, when someone from ED says "We are working in that update/bug fix", it´s not "writen in stone" and we should not believe it because maybe it´s not going to be done. Thanks a lot, Silver Dragon, for your sincerity.

 

All "subject to change" Remember? :music_whistling:, and I dont talk "it´s not going to be done".

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3735501&postcount=177

Happy New Year!

From all of us at Eagle Dynamics, we want to wish you a happy new year and every success and happiness for 2019! We look forward to sharing it with you, and we have many exciting projects during 2019! What follows is a listing of aircraft projects that we and our valued-partners will be working on in 2019. We do not expect for all these projects to be released in 2019, but this is where our focus will be this year.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3735513&postcount=178

Last week we discussed the many aircraft projects that will be under development in 2019. Today, let’s look at some of the non-aircraft projects. As mentioned last week, we cannot promise that all of these will be released in 2019, but they will all be under focused development.

 

The F-16...

Pre-Order DCS: F-16C Viper for 20% Off

 

The amazing F-16C is coming to DCS World! Pre-order it now to save 20%.

Early access availability is planned for early autumn 2019.

 

Check My "unofficial" roadmap and see what has DONE from 2012... ;)

Edited June 2, 2019 by Silver_Dragon

[twistking]

guys, don't make this into a complaint about what was promised or not.

 

i think the original post resonated with a lot of users and maybe we can discuss different ideas how the business model of DCS could maybe change to better adress the problems many users see...

[Bogey Jammer]

For Normandy terrain need talk with Ugra-Media, not ED.

Ugra-Media doesn't talk at all. Any other suggestion ?

[Kongamato]

All "subject to change" Remember? :music_whistling:, and I dont talk "it´s not going to be done".

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3735501&postcount=177

 

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3735513&postcount=178

 

 

The F-16...

 

 

Check My "unofficial" roadmap and see what has DONE from 2012... ;)

 

We all know, Silver Dragon. Every single simmer in the world knows that the only two things written in stone in this business are "EVERYTHING IS SUBJECTO TO CHANGE" and "IT WILL BE DONE IN TWO WEEKS". As sad as it sound.

 

But if the community manager of ED sais in this very thread that they are working in improving the night ilumination, a new FLIR system and better AI, all things that have been asked by the community for a long time, I would like to think that it´s true and all those things are going to be done at one moment or other.

 

But thanks again for reminding us that all that maybe will never happen since "everything is subject to change" and "nothing is written in stone", and I´m sorry if I gave credibility to the words of the community manager. :doh:

Edited June 2, 2019 by Kongamato
grammar

[Silver_Dragon]

But thanks again for reminding us that all that maybe will never happen since "everything is subject to change" and "nothing is written in stone", and I´m sorry if I gave credibility to the words of the community manager. :doh:

 

Your suppositions, not the rest of the community.....

[nessuno0505]

I agree with the first post of this topic.

ED says different people work on different things? That's ok. So I suggest airplane and heli people stop to work on viper and mi-24 and fix / redo all older modules that need to be redone: new textures for a-10, black Shark 3, huey multicrew, new textures for korea jets and f-5, and so on. If doing this brings no revenue, I'm ready to pay a subscription, be It for the core game or be It for each single module, ED do the choice best suited for them. When all the older modules are bugs free and 100% suited for the new engine, then I Will be ready to hail new planes.

[Silver_Dragon]

Ugra-Media doesn't talk at all. Any other suggestion ?

 

Waiting for news.... other 3rd party only talk when have some to show (remember the BSK silences in the pass).

[twistking]

I agree with the first post of this topic.

ED says different people work on different things? That's ok. So I suggest airplane and heli people stop to work on viper and mi-24 and fix / redo all older modules that need to be redone: new textures for a-10, black Shark 3, huey multicrew, new textures for korea jets and f-5, and so on. If doing this brings no revenue, I'm ready to pay a subscription, be It for the core game or be It for each single module, ED do the choice best suited for them. When all the older modules are bugs free and 100% suited for the new engine, then I Will be ready to hail new planes.

 

I agree with you, however i don't agree with the subscription thing. I think it is weird that people always bring up subsriptions, as if there were no other business models out there.

Subsprictions are not well liked by most consumers and would be bad practice when coupled with paid modules.

 

Why not have DCS pay to play like other sims and games? So next major DCS version (let's say 3.0) would be sold for 60€. You could keep flying your owned module in the 2.x or buy the new version and bring your owned modules with you.

It would be a proven and generally accepted business model and a much cleaner solution compared to the current solution.

You could even keep the "free to play" with a DCS free / demo version, that would still be MP compatible with the full version, but would not accept modules...

 

I think that ED should really think about it, as in the future it will get even more difficult to keep all the older modules up to date, while generating income only through new aircrafts, or asset/feature modules that come with problems of their own and are generally harder to sell then a new milestone release version would be.

Edited June 2, 2019 by twistking

[Silver_Dragon]

I agree with the first post of this topic.

ED says different people work on different things? That's ok. So I suggest airplane and heli people stop to work on viper and mi-24 and fix / redo all older modules that need to be redone

 

And you put all community with pitchforks and torches on the ED study door by "where are my Hind, Viper, carrier, WW2 <put like module> and delayed them by mount / years all projects.

[Mars Exulte]

My wish is these armchair marketing experts would quit pontificating on how somebody else runs their business. Nobody but ED knows what their business model is generating or how successful it is, so all this wondering aloud ''Verily, I declare this must be insufficient despite my complete lack of knowledge'' just makes people look like jackasses.

 

It goes X10 for the ones who lead in with ''I work in this or that field'' nobody gives a damn that you answered phones for Best Buy customer service @@ That doesn't make you an expert. And even if someone WERE, they should know how useless unsolicited, unfounded advice is considering the basic principle ''you have no data and are pulling your assumption out of your ass''. If it wasn't working, they'd have gone out of business twenty years ago. If they're satisfied with the income, that's all that matters.

 

Xplane and FSX ALSO sell planes and have been around for ages. Crazy. The exact same strategy works for them, I wonder if there are random desktop jockies telling them how they're doing it wrong, too?

 

Lastly, a cursory glance of the forums would reveal many of these 'not plane' features requested are either acknowledged goals or actively in development. It not happening as quickly as people think they should is again, irrelevant, as most the folks here are not experts and the ones that are still have very little to no idea about what's happening behind the scenes.

 

Let 'em run their own business. If wise, they'll thrive, if not they'll burn. And put bluntly, if they start taking advice from random plebs on the forums, they probably deserve to go down @@

[funkyfranky]

And you put all community with pitchforks and torches on the ED study door by "where are my Hind, Viper, carrier, WW2 <put like module> and delayed them by mount / years all projects.

ED has to decide. This thread is people voicing their opinion that they prefer polished modules and core engine rather then new stuff. Basically some ask for a shift in priorities.

 

ED want happy customers and make money eventually. They cannot make everybody happy of course, but when people are not happy with the current route, they should say that in a mature manner. I'm sure ED will listen and make their decisions in their/our best interest. But they probably also have to consider circumstances we might not be remotely aware of.

[twistking]

And you put all community with pitchforks and torches on the ED study door by "where are my Hind, Viper, carrier, WW2 <put like module> and delayed them by mount / years all projects.

 

This discussion leads to nothing honestly. Sure: Work on the Viper has to go on, since people have already preordered it, i guess.

 

For the Hind i don't know how many people will show up with pitchforks, but i am sure Wags could handle those.

And for the carrier and WWII that is exactly the point peopel are trying to make here: Less aircrafts, more features, better core mechanics!!!

 

If this would require a new approach on how ED sells their products i am all for it (see my post above).

[Silver_Dragon]

And for the carrier and WWII that is exactly the point peopel are trying to make here: Less aircrafts, more features, better core mechanics!!!

 

On WW2 has a "Kick-starter" to complete, surely can be very funny to the donors :doh: with modules in progress (P-47, Me262, assets pack) to complete them. No new "damage model" and no Dinamic Campaing.... (WW2 required as testbed). The Carriers need complete to get the first steep on the ATC improvements (and other functionality in progress to a "ship" module) and more, and more, claimed by the community.

Edited June 2, 2019 by Silver_Dragon

[twistking]

[...]

You do want to start an argument, don't you?

 

Well, i don't. So let me just quote user funkyfranky who worded it nicely. I don't have anything to add to that at the moment. Thanks.

[...] This thread is people voicing their opinion that they prefer polished modules and core engine rather then new stuff. Basically some ask for a shift in priorities.

 

ED want happy customers and make money eventually. They cannot make everybody happy of course, but when people are not happy with the current route, they should say that in a mature manner.[...]

Edited June 2, 2019 by twistking

[umkhunto]

Ah shoot, here we go again.

[Silver_Dragon]

ED has to decide. This thread is people voicing their opinion that they prefer polished modules and core engine rather then new stuff. Basically some ask for a shift in priorities.

 

ED want happy customers and make money eventually. They cannot make everybody happy of course, but when people are not happy with the current route, they should say that in a mature manner. I'm sure ED will listen and make their decisions in their/our best interest. But they probably also have to consider circumstances we might not be remotely aware of.

 

Here are some problems about the opinion exposed.....

 

Put all project in hold can need to fire not esencial personal (the actual in project crews on develop modules, maps, AI and new functionality), you can not maintain them. The direct problem, lost years of working experience on simulation developing and personal formed on working on DCS.

 

Next, you need build specialised teams to polished the engine and modules. If polishing the engine and module take mounts and years.... How can ED finance them? That can be a financial setback to ED.

 

When you complete the "polishing" (if ED survive) you need start to search personal to rebuild the "develop" teams (different to the polish teams) with new personal and training them on DCS. How many time take them? and after restart projects (Hornet and other modules has take years to develop).

 

Force to the 3rd parties to put on hold all projects? has in the same ED situation, you need to pay licences, salaries and etc. You send to the 3rd parties to close and lost your licenses?

 

Other point, What happens ED with the "profesional" projects if the main engine has "stalled"?

Edited June 2, 2019 by Silver_Dragon

[Bogey Jammer]

Silver Dragon, you're not ED, you don't know ED's ressources.

Let's say that if a company never finishes the work and always start new unfinishable projects that add work debt to the pile, the company will die someday. Things have to be balanced that's all.

[Sheriff BurneR]

Let's say that if a company never finishes the work and always start new unfinishable projects that add work debt to the pile, the company will die someday. Things have to be balanced that's all.

 

+ 1000 :thumbup: It was my last time when i buy something in early access after Hornet.

Edited June 2, 2019 by Sheriff BurneR

[dawgie79]

Oh please stop. ED can decide on their own how to run their business, they don't need armchair experts.

This thread is ridiculous.

Edited June 2, 2019 by dawgie79

[funkyfranky]

Oh please stop. ED can decide on their own how to run their business, they don't need armchair experts.

This thread is ridiculous.

Yeah, I wanted to post just that in the Carrier module thread. But well...