Loading screen loadout.

[WelshZeCorgi]

Has anyone managed to perform a VTO with the 500 Gal wing tanks, 2 mavs and 2 sidewinders that you see in the loading screen of the Har when you load up a mission? The nozzles are in the vertical position so it's either taking off or landing, but it seems to weigh too much for a TO in this loadout.

[gulredrel]

Maybe the ext. tanks are empty (you can choose empty ext. tanks as a loadout) and internal fuel set to low level?

With the manual or Chuck's Guide you can calculate weight with some stores so not to be too heavy for VTOL.

You would than need to refuel in the air after takeoff.

[Nealius]

According to the VREST page, on a standard day (15C, 29.92) with 2x empty wing tanks, 2x AGM65G, 2x AIM9M, you need 5,542lbs or less of internal fuel to be light enough for a VTO.

 

If the weather is any warmer you'll need a tanker within 5 minutes of takeoff.

[WelshZeCorgi]

According to the VREST page, on a standard day (15C, 29.92) with 2x empty wing tanks, 2x AGM65G, 2x AIM9M, you need 5,542lbs or less of internal fuel to be light enough for a VTO.

 

If the weather is any warmer you'll need a tanker within 5 minutes of takeoff.

 

I guess the Harrier in the loading screen is VLD then, seems like an odd loadout (empty wingtanks and a bit over half a tank of fuel) to VTO in.

[Nealius]

With full internal fuel, maybe 1,000lbs less, you might be able to do an RVTO. That would make sense for a road FOB.

 

Too bad DCS won't let us start from the ground, though.

 

But, from what I can discern of real-world USMC operations, Harriers are typically going to be using STO and FNSL, with VL at the boat.

[Captain Orso]

With full internal fuel, maybe 1,000lbs less, you might be able to do an RVTO. That would make sense for a road FOB.

 

Too bad DCS won't let us start from the ground, though.

 

But, from what I can discern of real-world USMC operations, Harriers are typically going to be using STO and FNSL, with VL at the boat.

 

<whisper>*pssst* Hey buddy, can I interest you in taking off from ... anywhere?

 

Just have... *ahem* just ... *AHEM!!* just... </whisper> sorry :blush:

 

Just have l look here: Mod that allowed aircraft to start from anywhere

 

I can tell you up front, it's not a mod that you plug in and forget. It's a change to a lua file, that periodically get's updated by ED. This means that after every update, you need to check* if that file has changed, and integrate your modding back into the new lua file. It's not a lot of work, but it's something you have to remember.

 

Also, you don't need it in place at all times. Only when you edit a mission in which you have "start from anywhere" implemented. Missions created using this mod can be run without the mod in place.

 

* a great way to compare files easily is WinMerge. I've been using it professionally and in my free time for many years. I can heartily recommend it.

[Vfa-81 Fix]

Harrier can TO from every road already tough, no mod needed for that.

Not really "anywhere", but close. The tricky part s the refueling/ rearming.

[Captain Orso]

The issue is that without modding you cannot position an aircraft to start a mission from the ground other than from am airfield parking spot or a runway.

 

With the mod you can position an aircraft to start a mission from anywhere, including a road, or a Marsden FARP from SUNTSAG.

[Vfa-81 Fix]

The issue is that without modding you cannot position an aircraft to start a mission from the ground other than from am airfield parking spot or a runway.

 

With the mod you can position an aircraft to start a mission from anywhere, including a road, or a Marsden FARP from SUNTSAG.

 

"An aircraft" or the Harrier?

The Harrier you can place anywhere cause it uses the same logic as an Helicopter.

You can not taxi over grass though, but any road will do and right from Mission start if you so wish.

[Holbeach]

You can taxi, of sorts, even at full load, across the ground (not advisable).

This is the Harrier, not just an ordinary aircraft. :thumbup:

 

 

You can of course, start a mission from the ground.

 

 

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[Captain Orso]

"An aircraft" or the Harrier?

 

ANY aircraft.

 

The Harrier you can place anywhere cause it uses the same logic as an Helicopter.

 

W-what? I didn't know that. I guess I'll be thrown into the Gorge of Eternal Peril. *dun*DUN*dun*DUNNN* [Stop dallying, get on with it.] Oh, sorry.

 

You can not taxi over grass though, but any road will do and right from Mission start if you so wish.

 

I've noted that with the grass, after a minor accident with my ..... CONTROL stick, yes it was .... :huh:

[Captain Orso]

You can taxi, of sorts, even at full load, across the ground (not advisable).

This is the Harrier, not just an ordinary aircraft. :thumbup:

 

 

You can of course, start a mission from the ground.

 

 

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I've gotten stuck in the grass next to the runway -- I don't recall the airfield -- and that was with little to no load. It was on MP though, so maybe that plays a role.

[Holbeach]

I cant vouch for MP, but single player, start a mission anywhere.

 

 

From memory: 23,000lb VTO. 24000lb VTO ground effect, then transit.

If the ground is flat. Up to 26000lb rolling TO. (Bumpy ride)

Above that weight, it's taxi only, using the nozzle to relieve the weight on the ground.

I've so far never been able to leave the ground at full weight, but manage 80 kts. on the level, rolling across the plains, before the nose wheel gave up. :helpsmilie:

 

 

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[Harlikwin]

You can taxi, of sorts, even at full load, across the ground (not advisable).

This is the Harrier, not just an ordinary aircraft. :thumbup:

 

 

You can of course, start a mission from the ground.

 

 

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Yup. The harrier can “vertical taxi” on grass I’ve done it on occasion. You need to remove enough weight off the wheels for it to work though. I’ve always done it after landing so no idea if it would work with a full load.