Doesn't A-10C feel more flight capable in real life?

[bbrz]

First, 4-5% difference in fans with the lower ITT means that the engines are positively downrated.

But how is it possible that e.g. top speed and climb rate in clean config are matching (and even slightly exeeding) the -1 performance data?

[nighthawk2174]

Does anyone have the -1 to compare too?

[David OC]

Based on the above tests and my own (I was able to open up the sim on the weekend) there are certainly some issues that as an A-10 driver deserve some attention. First, 4-5% difference in fans with the lower ITT means that the engines are positively downrated.

 

No, this has all ways been like this with the correct power output. There is something a miss with the install and allowed ITT variance here.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2868806&postcount=118

 

If you have access to the engineers documents as to why and how, this would help get this correct I guess.

 

But how is it possible that e.g. top speed and climb rate in clean config are matching (and even slightly exeeding) the -1 performance data?

 

:thumbup:

 

This is not as big of an issue as the second issue: energy bleedoff and AoA issues on a turn level turn safe escape maneuver, possibly drag model related. Currently it is impossible to do a proper turn level turn safe escape maneuver with the A-10C in DCS. This is important because low altitude bomb events will likely lead to the jet being fragged on level releases and possibly 10 LAHD deliveries. Obviously, that is not happening right now, but if bomb frag and damage is revisited at a later point, this will be an issue and ruins a bit of immersion.

 

How many knots /distance are you talking about here?

 

 

How accurate do you think the bomb frag are compared to real life in this sim...?

 

Is it that close to the frag pattern IRL? That a few knots will put you in the frag?

 

Immersion.... for you maybe, not for us mere mortals that have not flown the A-10C. This is just ammo for the kids here and for you to try and get your way lol. It would take more than one SME I think.

 

The jet is currently too sluggish for me to recommend low altitude tactics with the A-10C currently in DCS.

 

Habu

 

If your flying and dropping IRL bombs and evading IRL strela's maybe....

 

I still would like to know how accurate the real A-10C sim's are compared to IRL and or DCS.

You can possibly tell us.

[lobo]

Why argue against making the sim more realistic?

[David OC]

Why argue against making the sim more realistic?

 

Big statements that are untrue.

 

"engines are positively downrated."

 

"The jet is currently too sluggish for me to recommend low altitude tactics with the A-10C currently in DC."

Well if you fly the real thing and want it 100 / 100 correct. Statement like this is set to stir up trouble here. Basically saying it's crap right? I wouldn't use it, so there.

[bbrz]

Because ED doesn't want it to be more realistic. It's downrated on purpose to hide real behavior.

If you would have read the last few posts you would have noticed that this apparently depends on the loadout, so it could be only partially true...if you believe in this conspiracy theory.

[bbrz]

link?

[lobo]

Link or it didn't happen. ;)

[A10Yoda]

Link or it didn't happen. ;)

https://images.app.goo.gl/DXAjSmSMgjvP12D27

 

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[lobo]

lol Yoda.

 

All I'm saying is the graphics update to the A-10C will be great. Any improvement to the fidelity of the model/weapons would be awesome.

 

I dont know who at ED agreed to what with whom, or what may or may not be revealed about the flight performance of an airframe that first flew 47 years ago... but if it can be tweaked ever so slightly to come closer to real world performance, well, that would be just peachy keen imo.

 

No matter what, I am going to continue enjoying this module for a longtime.

 

:pilotfly:

Edited October 1, 2019 by lobo**

[Ironhand]

Sorry I do not have one. He said that in few longish podcast interviews. I do not have time to listen interviews again.

I can verify that Matt stated in a podcast about a year (or two?) ago that their intention is not to make aircraft /weapons 100% realistic. The reasoning (IIRC) was that, to do so, might inadvertently put lives in danger.

[bbrz]

I can verify that Matt stated in a podcast about a year (or two?) ago that their intention is not to make aircraft /weapons 100% realistic. The reasoning (IIRC) was that, to do so, might inadvertently put lives in danger.

That makes sense e.g. in case of systems and weapons/weapons delivery, but this argument wouldn't make much sense if e.g. the A-10 flies 10kts lower than it should with external loads.

 

Too low RPM while achieving the correct speed is simply a sign of a less than perfect engine/airframe combo simulation.

[Ironhand]

That makes sense e.g. in case of systems and weapons/weapons delivery, but this argument wouldn't make much sense if e.g. the A-10 flies 10kts lower than it should with external loads.

 

Too low RPM while achieving the correct speed is simply a sign of a less than perfect engine/airframe combo simulation.

 

Yes. I have no idea where “bugs” stop and Matt’s statement begins.

[bbrz]

No, Matt Wagner gave example about F-18 flight model, slow speed high alpha characteristics and how they do not want to reveal too much away.

If that's actually the case I'm glad that I haven't bought the F-16 yet and I think that I can safely delete DCS.

[NineLine]

No, Matt Wagner gave example about F-18 flight model, slow speed high alpha characteristics and how they do not want to reveal too much away.

 

Lobo's comment about low altitude tactics with the A-10C leads me to believe they did the same with A-10C FM, as that can be sensitive information to share with public.

 

As far as I have gathered from Yo-Yo, the A-10C FM was based on all available information, nothing was purposely altered, but perhaps some things are still secret.

[bbrz]

Thanks for jumping in NineLine :)

In that case I would really like to know why =4c=Nikola spreads wrong rumors about Matt having Yo-Yo intentionally 'dumbing down' the various flight models.

[NineLine]

Thanks for jumping in NineLine :)

In that case I would really like to know why =4c=Nikola spreads wrong rumors about Matt having Yo-Yo intentionally 'dumbing down' the various flight models.

 

I can't speak for him, only here to help clear the fog :D

[bbrz]

Highly appreciated, thanx :) :)

[NineLine]

You can grow a pair of ears and listen yourself.

 

Did he specifically say the A-10 FM was altered for the protection of military secrets? I heard of some Hornet items but not the A-10C (for clarification I am asking Yo-Yo as well).

 

Edit: That is a "no" from Yo-Yo.

Edited October 1, 2019 by NineLine

[bbrz]

You can grow a pair of ears and listen yourself.

? You still didn't provide a link and I do trust and highly value NineLines comments.

[NineLine]

No, but he stated that ED must be careful about aircraft active both in US and foreign service to protect people serving. A-10C is still in service AFAIK.

 

I mean, we have case here that A-10C pilot disputes FM, so either:

1. He is lying

2. He is incompetent

3. He is right

 

If 3. is correct than it's either:

A. Software is unable correctly depict A-10C FM

B. yo-yo is incompetent

C. FM is dumbed down

 

You can believe any combination, and I'm fine with that.

 

Those are such negative options.

 

I will choose my own. Most pilots will feel a simulator is way different than the real thing because your office chair doesn't move like your seat in the aircraft. Nobody is incompetent. This is a simulation, and may not 100% give you the exact sensation or feeling of flying an A-10C.

 

I gave my answer on this now, it was not dumbed down, some sensor stuff was secret and restricted, but not the FM.

[Yo-Yo]

No, but he stated that ED must be careful about aircraft active both in US and foreign service to protect people serving. A-10C is still in service AFAIK.

 

I mean, we have case here that A-10C pilot disputes FM, so either:

1. He is lying

2. He is incompetent

3. He is right

 

If 3. is correct than it's either:

A. Software is unable correctly depict A-10C FM

B. yo-yo is incompetent

C. FM is dumbed down

 

You can believe any combination, and I'm fine with that.

 

 

It's not a matter of faith. Anyone still is able to get A-10A performance charts and make his own flight test. A-10C has the same airframe and engines.

After the one can say is it matches or not.

[NineLine]

Not going to delete dcs like bbrz.

 

Best practice is not to worry about what others do, if bbrz is deleting DCS, then it's on him to reinstall it later ;)

[NineLine]

As long as they don't falsely accuse me.

 

You two can both hide each other, then pretend the other doesn't exist and live happily ever after.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/profile.php?do=ignorelist

[lobo]

 

I gave my answer on this now, it was not dumbed down, some sensor stuff was secret and restricted, but not the FM.

 

Thanks for the clarification. :thumbup: