Kusch Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCbUoxiUYFs 1 Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Yellonet Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 Sounds like it fires really fast :D i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
Force_Feedback Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 30mm as well, and only 46 kg, no Vulcan or DEFA can match that. Great weapon design. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
jurinko Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 Vulcan has higher ROF and probably longer barrel life as well, but 30mm is 30mm..
Yellonet Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 Vulcan has higher ROF and probably longer barrel life as well, but 30mm is 30mm..probably without the U-238 though :D i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
ED Team Groove Posted October 5, 2007 ED Team Posted October 5, 2007 And a nice WW2 explosion at the end ! Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
Yellonet Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 And a nice WW2 explosion at the end !What?! No, that was the target exploding after getting hit too many times. i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
mcnab Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 What?! No, that was the target exploding after getting hit too many times. Yeah, I saw the same thing in the Quake3 trailer!
Avimimus Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 The Russian's have an enormous lead in aviation cannons. NATO and American forces can save their ego though, as cannons are becoming increasingly less important. American sources like to compare the M61 and the GSH-23 but they don't factor in weight and size. A better comparison would be the GSH-6-23 which is lighter, more compact, very reliable and has a higher rate of fire then the M61. Even the GSH-301 is about half the weight of the M61. 1
moonbeast Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 wrong cannons are becoming more important, example Eurofighter Typhoon they are installing cannons back on the airframe !!!
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 NATO and American forces can save their ego though, as cannons are becoming increasingly less important.”Less important” is relative and is subject for discussion. Cannons are the only jam proof A-A weapons. Therefore they will never be removed from fighter airplanes. Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
92nd-MajorBug Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 The main reason why cannons are kept on NATO fighters is because the US Navy lost a lot of cannonless F-4s during the first part of the vietnam war. But missiles are getting more and more efficient, and cannons are becoming near to useless, particulary in modern conflicts where it is 100 vs 1 :P Btw about DEFA, it may be not as good as Gsh-30, but on Mirage fighters there is two of them, which makes 2x 30mm. Quite efficient too ;) DEFA 554 for Mirage 2000 DEFA 791 for Rafale 92nd Kodiak Air Force - May the Greuh be with you
RvETito Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 When it comes to helicopter guns (where this weapon is more than usefull and quiet frequently used) my favorite is the 2A42 installed on the Ka-50. Note that the same cannon is installed on the Mi-28 under the nose that can move at angles up to 135 degrees left-right but in the Kamov design (on the right side of the fusellage) it has shown 2-3 times better accuracy. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
Yellonet Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 When it comes to helicopter guns (where this weapon is more than usefull and quiet frequently used) my favorite is the 2A42 installed on the Ka-50. Note that the same cannon is installed on the Mi-28 under the nose that can move at angles up to 135 degrees left-right but in the Kamov design (on the right side of the fusellage) it has shown 2-3 times better accuracy.I want to get my hands on the game soon so I can start sniping targets with the cannon on the BS :D Will there be a target range included in BS? :smartass: i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
nscode Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Cannons are the only jam proof A-A weapons. Therefore they will never be removed from fighter airplanes. What makes you think they are jam proof? Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 ....particulary in modern conflicts where it is 100 vs 1 :P Now, this sounds like me talking ... :thumbup: Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 What makes you think they are jam proof?He, he, he ... Yes, guns can get jammed (mechanically). However, you can not jam flying bullet. He, he, he … Добар си! Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
D-Scythe Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 ”Less important” is relative and is subject for discussion. No, it's not relative nor is it subject for discussion. Missiles are getting deadlier, and engaging with missiles is easier and much faster than engaging with guns - it's just lock and shoot. And now, as SRAAMs are becoming more and more agile, have exponentially increasing MEZs and becoming more difficult to decoy with flares, guns ARE becoming less important - absolutely, not relatively. Cannons are the only jam proof A-A weapons. Therefore they will never be removed from fighter airplanes. What does being jam-proof have anything to do with the longevity of a weapon? Air-to-air rockets were jam-proof as well, but they were replaced by AAMs in the 1950s. You can't jam unguided MK-82/84 bombs either, but they are virtually phased out in favor of the (jammable) JDAM.
92nd-MajorBug Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Additionnaly, you can also jam the tracking radar and prevent the enemy from getting a correct guns calculation ;) The first ECM and chaffs where used for this purpose ;) 92nd Kodiak Air Force - May the Greuh be with you
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Lockheed and Boeing are then wrong for installing a gun in Raptor? No matter how good new missiles are. New missiles are always followed by new missile jamming systems. At one time, missiles will be better, at another, jamming systems. Once a bullet departs from the gun, it can not be jammed. On your fighter airplane, you better make sure you have a gun you can count on. Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
Force_Feedback Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Unless they start building some sort of electromagnetic resonant barrier around the plane, so you'll have a jammer and bullet defelction shield. And probably some sci-fi power plant on board. And then bullets will be made out of composites :P Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
S77th-GOYA Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 The Russian's have an enormous lead in aviation cannons. What have they got to better the GAU-8?
EricJ Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Agreed, you can't depend on missiles for ground attack, or Close Air Support. With guns you can get in closer, and there's more to go around :thumbup: LOMAC Section| | Gaming Resume (PDF) | Gallery | Flanker2.51 Storage Site | Also known as Flanker562 back in the day... Steam ID EricJ562 | DCS: A-10A/C Pilot | DCS: Su-25T Pilot | Texture Artist "...parade ground soldiers always felt that way (contempt) about killers in uniform." -Counting The Cost, Hammer's Slammers
rogue_blade Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Originally Posted by Avimimus The Russian's have an enormous lead in aviation cannons. What have they got to better the GAU-8? lol what was he thinking [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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