TWS Auto Coming Soon?

[MobiSev]

Now that the massive CTD bugs are out of the way, is TWS auto being worked on? If so, any news to share?

[Cobra847]

Now that the massive CTD bugs are out of the way, is TWS auto being worked on? If so, any news to share?

 

Yes.

 

There's a mathematical issue we're working to solve. It's causing issues, but we're working on it as a priority.

[Xenovia]

Will you guys make the F-14 be jammable? It seems to not be susceptible to any sort of ECM jamming.

Edited September 5, 2019 by Xenovia

[QuiGon]

Will you guys make the F-14 be jammable? It seems to not be susceptible to any sort of ECM jamming.

Apparently it's supposed to drop lock more easily if being jammed, but that is hard to tell. It is definitely missing actually visible jamming effects, like there are in other aircraft, where you can't get a range on jamming enemies outside burn through range. I've made a thread about it here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=247462

[IronMike]

Jamming is still WIP.

[MobiSev]

Yes.

 

There's a mathematical issue we're working to solve. It's causing issues, but we're working on it as a priority.

 

Very nice. Thanks for the update!

[MobiSev]

Yes.

 

There's a mathematical issue we're working to solve. It's causing issues, but we're working on it as a priority.

 

If you can, could you tell us how close we are to this? as in what percentage of work is complete?

[bonesvf103]

Can you refresh my memory as to what is not working about TWS-A? Is it the automatic numbering of targets? Is it the Phoenix going active at the right time and showing the blinking countdown numbers when it does?

 

 

So TWS-M is operational then?

 

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

v6,

boNes

[QuiGon]

Currently nothing about TWS-A is working, as it hasn't been implemented yet. The purpose of TWS-A is that the radar keeps track of the targets automatically by adjusting the radar parameters (especially elevation) on its own. Currently we have to do that on our own using TWS-M. In reality the radar automatically switches to tws-A when a Phoenix is launched in order to keep track of the target(s). This is not the case in DCS currently, as TWS-A is not implemented yet.

[bonesvf103]

OK, I ask because when I'm in TWS-A it appears to be working fine...but maybe it's because I'm not maneuvering when I fire Phoenix?

 

 

Also I noticed that the countdown numbers aren't blinking to show pitbull. Or is that because I'm already relatively close to the target and so they are already pitbull and thus not blinking? I'm pretty sure I saw the countdown numbers blink recently, but I could be wrong.

 

 

When you say the radar automatically switches to TWS-A after launch, you mean if you were in TWS-M before that? I'm trying to understand because if you launch in TWS-A, well, it's already in TWS-A.

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

 

v6,

boNes

[QuiGon]

OK, I ask because when I'm in TWS-A it appears to be working fine...but maybe it's because I'm not maneuvering when I fire Phoenix?

Yes, currenty TWS-A is just like TWS-M, but locked to 0° elevation. So as long as you don#t need to adjust your radar in elevation to keep the targets inside the radar cone it works fine, although not the way it should work.

 

Also I noticed that the countdown numbers aren't blinking to show pitbull. Or is that because I'm already relatively close to the target and so they are already pitbull and thus not blinking? I'm pretty sure I saw the countdown numbers blink recently, but I could be wrong.

Pitbull indication is not yet indicated as Phoenixes are currently active off the rails. Pitbull indication will come once the new Phoenix guidance has been implemented (see here for more info).

 

When you say the radar automatically switches to TWS-A after launch, you mean if you were in TWS-M before that? I'm trying to understand because if you launch in TWS-A, well, it's already in TWS-A.

Exactly, when launched in TWS-M it will then switch to TWS-A by itself.

[MobiSev]

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Pitbull indication will come once the new Phoenix guidance has been implemented (see here for more info).

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Which should be tomorrow, if everything is still on track.

[QuiGon]

Which should be tomorrow, if everything is still on track.

Where did they say so?

[MobiSev]

Where did they say so?

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4107290&postcount=8

 

If the beta patch schedule is followed, it should be tomorrow if everything goes according to plan

[bonesvf103]

Yes, currenty TWS-A is just like TWS-M, but locked to 0° elevation. So as long as you don#t need to adjust your radar in elevation to keep the targets inside the radar cone it works fine, although not the way it should work.

 

 

Oh, so that would explain when I get annoyed that Jester has targets in TWS-A, but then eventually after Phoenix launch, I start seeing the X superimposed on the target icon in the TID and then they disappear. Since I'm not maneuvering, I imagine those targets flew out of the fixed TWS-A radar cone.

 

 

Pitbull indication is not yet indicated as Phoenixes are currently active off the rails. Pitbull indication will come once the new Phoenix guidance has been implemented (see here for more info).

OK, I imagine this is what they did to compensate for TWS-A not working. So my hitting the MSL OPT switch to PH ACTIVE was moot then, huh?

 

 

v6,

boNes

[QuiGon]

Oh, so that would explain when I get annoyed that Jester has targets in TWS-A, but then eventually after Phoenix launch, I start seeing the X superimposed on the target icon in the TID and then they disappear. Since I'm not maneuvering, I imagine those targets flew out of the fixed TWS-A radar cone.

Yeah, looks like it. A human RIO can use TWS-M for now to adjust the elevation manually, which will be done by TWS-A once implemented. Jester is not able to adjust elevation (yet), unless strictly ordered to do so by the pilot.

 

OK, I imagine this is what they did to compensate for TWS-A not working. So my hitting the MSL OPT switch to PH ACTIVE was moot then, huh?

 

It was moot indeed, but the reason for the current Phoenix behavior has nothing to do with TWS-A or the lack thereof. It is because Heatblur did not have the necessary access to the missile code to be able to simulate the Phoenix as it worked in real life. Currently it basically behaves like a AMRAAM. Heatblur does have the necessary access to the code now and is working on the proper implementation of the Phoenix.

Edited November 19, 2019 by QuiGon

[bonesvf103]

I'm not sure if I should be happy or scared that they got access to the code, heh.

 

 

v6,

boNes

[Banzaiib]

I'm not sure if I should be happy or scared that they got access to the code, heh.

 

 

v6,

boNes

 

The phoenix behavior is such a big part of the simulation, i'm super stoked to have a much more realistic model. HB has created probably the best flight model of any dcs module to date... I'm thinking they can handle guidance logic for the 54. :)

 

I wish they'd do the AIM-7... it's a mess right now.

[bonesvf103]

I'm happy to have it in the sim...What I meant is scary is that there is access to information about how it works, which one would think should be classified or at least not available.

 

 

v6,

boNes

Edited November 19, 2019 by bonesvf103

[TLTeo]

The phoenix behavior is such a big part of the simulation, i'm super stoked to have a much more realistic model. HB has created probably the best flight model of any dcs module to date... I'm thinking they can handle guidance logic for the 54. :)

 

I wish they'd do the AIM-7... it's a mess right now.

 

 

The Aim-7 has been pretty good for me ever since ED fixed it (and HB added the updated one to the Tomcat a couple of weeks ago). Why is it a mess?

[Xenovia]

AIM-7's have been good to me, the only reason they've been missing has been because of the server I'm in are lagging, making my AIM-7's miss.

[gyrovague]

Unfortunately we've had to remove the new AIM54 active code at the last minute, as some things ED provided don't seem to work correctly in multiplayer based on our extensive testing. This has also impacted TWS-A work a bit (indirectly), so that also won't be in the next patch cycle. There are a bunch of other nice changes though, watch the press for details.

[FWind]

Unfortunately we've had to remove the new AIM54 active code at the last minute, as some things ED provided don't seem to work correctly in multiplayer based on our extensive testing. This has also impacted TWS-A work a bit (indirectly), so that also won't be in the next patch cycle. There are a bunch of other nice changes though, watch the press for details.

Oh............:doh:

[BonerCat]

Well, that's a bummer, but it's good to hear that quality cheks are still very rigorous :thumbup:

[QuiGon]

I'm happy to have it in the sim...What I meant is scary is that there is access to information about how it works, which one would think should be classified or at least not available.

The Phoenix has been out of US service for more than 10 years now, so that shouldn't be an issue.

 

 

Unfortunately we've had to remove the new AIM54 active code at the last minute, as some things ED provided don't seem to work correctly in multiplayer based on our extensive testing. This has also impacted TWS-A work a bit (indirectly), so that also won't be in the next patch cycle. There are a bunch of other nice changes though, watch the press for details.

That's a big bummer :cry: