X_Man Posted October 12, 2007 Posted October 12, 2007 I was wondering if there is noticable difference with running LOMAC on Vista vs XP?
graywo1fg Posted October 12, 2007 Posted October 12, 2007 i dont think there is because Lockon is a direct X 8 game.... Voice of Jester AI Death From Above =DFA= Squadron Discord - https://discord.gg/deathfromabove http://www.twitch.tv/graywo1f https://www.youtube.com/user/Lonewo1fg
Yeniceri Posted October 12, 2007 Posted October 12, 2007 i have 2 rigs.. One for games and one for work (graphics and 3D) Work machine is Vista Ultimate 64bit 2x Dualcore Opteron 940 (2200mhz x4) 4 gigs of ram 8800 GTX 4x WD Raptors (10.500 RPM) with stripe raid Game machine is Xp Professional 32bit Athlon 4400 x2 2 gigs of ram 7900GS (256 mb memory version) Seagate barracuda 300 And on my game machine Lockon is Faster!, Looks way more beautiful, Runs smoother.. I think only reason is compatibility issues with DX10 and DX8. Hardware and software wise.. [sIGPIC]http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa200/misikci/41-imza-1.jpg[/sIGPIC] "To infinity...and beyond!.." SIM-MOD Modeler TURK!
LawnDart Posted October 12, 2007 Posted October 12, 2007 Topic is a little misleading. Vista isn't synonymous with DX10... [sigpic]http://www.virtualthunderbirds.com/Signatures/sig_LD.jpg[/sigpic] Virtual Thunderbirds, LLC | Sponsored by Thrustmaster Corsair 750D Case | Corsair RM850i PSU | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS X CODE | 32GB Corsair DDR4 3200 | Intel i7-8086K | Corsair Hydro H100i v2 Cooler | EVGA GTX 1080 Ti FTW | Oculus Rift | X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty | Samsung SSD 970 EVO 1TB NVMe | Samsung SSD 850 EVO 1TB | WD Caviar Black 2 x 1TB | TM HOTAS Warthog | TM Pendular Rudder | TM MFD Cougar Pack | 40" LG 1080p LED | Win10 |
X_Man Posted October 12, 2007 Author Posted October 12, 2007 Topic is a little misleading. Vista isn't synonymous with DX10... Windows Vista ships with DirectX 10 and is the only version of Windows for which it is offered - right?
VMFA-Blaze Posted October 12, 2007 Posted October 12, 2007 I was wondering if there is noticable difference with running LOMAC on Vista vs XP? I would say yes there is a difference, Lock On is far more difficult to install in Vista... As far as the quality of the game play and the graphics there's no noticeable difference... Regarding DX10 to actually run a game in DX10, the game has to be written in DX10 and you need the newest DX10 video card to see it... MOH Airborne and "PT Boats Knights Of The Sea" are Dx10.. I've run these on my BFG 8800 OC 640 in SLI and they look incredible... :thumbup: Window Vista doesn't ship withDX10, you have to down load it on the Windows web sight or the games that are written in DX10 include the new DX10 download.... But you need a DX10 GPU to install it.... You usually are also asked to install the AEGIA PHYS X as well. All of this wont improve Lock On in its present state. But I'm sure it will be beneficial for future products released by Eagle Dynamics... Blaze intel Cor i7-6700K ASUS ROG MAX VIII Extreme G.Skill TridentZ Series 32 GB Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SATA II ASUS GTX 1080/DIRECTX 12 Windows 10 PRO Thrustmaster Warthog Oculus Rift VR
britgliderpilot Posted October 12, 2007 Posted October 12, 2007 Windows Vista ships with DirectX 10 and is the only version of Windows for which it is offered - right? I believe someone's hacked DX10 onto XP, but yes, broadly speaking you're right. At the moment, I wouldn't recommend upgrading to Vista. It's still an OS in it's infancy and needs some stuff ironing out. I love the way it looks, and some people are reporting good things about game performance . . . . but to me the way just seems fraught with too much hassle (especially with drivers) for it to be worthwhile. However . . . next time I install Windows it'll be Windows Vista. Even if that's caused by a catastrophic motherboard failure tomorrow ;) Vista's got great visuals - it's copying OSX, but that's like copying Ferrari's styling . . . no bad thing! - it's got DX10, it's the future. I'd rather put up with some initial hassles than the even bigger hassle of installing Windows twice. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
TheMoose Posted October 12, 2007 Posted October 12, 2007 Vista and Lockon, no that good from experience http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=25901 DX10 from DX9 not much of a big difference in my opinion, well from FSX experience, better eye candy, but at the cost that all your dx9 and below games crashes from one to the other. I hate vista. Until they pull out the service pack 1. I re formated and went back to Xp. To much of a pain lockon with vista. Not worth it so far. That said, I heard service pack 1 for vista is coming out soon. I will retry it only then. As for capabilities issues with FC. Sound issues and all. Only ED can answer that one, if budget permits it...Hopefully they will… Thank God my Xp serial is still functional :smilewink: Antec 900 gaming tower, PSU: Corsair 750W, Q6600, Asus P5K, 8Gig Mushkin, Nvidia eVGA 280 GTX Superclocked 1G DDR3, SSDNOW200 Kingston Drive, TrackIr 3000+Vector, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro joystick, Saitek rudder pedals pro, Sharp 42" inch LCD Aquo. OS: windows 7 64bit.
Aeroscout Posted October 13, 2007 Posted October 13, 2007 well, I have found very few issues with vista, and the issues that were present a few months ago are now disappearing! (ie, Modman) Windows Vista looks great, runs fine on the type of computers nearly all of us have and still run lock on, the new mod man, TIR, Fraps, Saitek profilers, etc. The wost thing you must do would to have to set the compatibility modes... which takes 2 seconds. Am I happy with Vista? Yes, I am. It could be better of course, but, as britgligerpilot said, it's a new OS and has much room for improvement. The only thing i couldn't figure out is how to designate lock on to run on one core and everything else on the other. If someone knows, please tell me. BTW, you don't need a DX10 GPU to install DX10. I have it installed on a 7-series card. DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
Ven Posted October 13, 2007 Posted October 13, 2007 At current state, Vista... especially 64bit has some issues but if you're getting a brand new machine, I'd still recommend Vista 64. 64bit is here to stay and it's not going away. You don't see benefits with 64bit OS and DX10 because not enough games and softwares are written for it... yet. But it's coming starting with Crysis in couple weeks. 32bit OS has inherent limitation of 1.4GB of RAM per process. Whether you have 2GB or 200GB of RAM, a single process can only use 1.4GB in 32bit environment. 64bit virtually removes that ceiling. And by the way, because Microsoft doesn't offer upgrade path from 32bit Vista to 64bit, if you purchase 32bit Vista, you'll gonna have to buy a whole new copy of Vista 64 when you do want to go 64bit.
TheMoose Posted October 13, 2007 Posted October 13, 2007 No sporadic crashes? No sound issues, lockon with vista? All running well as it would under Xp? I guess, my quad 4 is not up to par. Since I have ultimate issues with vista with Lockon. But with Xp all is good... http://youtube.com/watch?v=0KvURb4-Hdg&mode=related&search= A link that shows some differences. But it does not justify it, since, well it's you tube, lol, crappy graphics from you tube. ;) I have a DX10 Card. I wish I can take advantage of it. But the OS is too crappy thus far for my taste. But thats only my opinion...Seems others have no issues whats so ever... Antec 900 gaming tower, PSU: Corsair 750W, Q6600, Asus P5K, 8Gig Mushkin, Nvidia eVGA 280 GTX Superclocked 1G DDR3, SSDNOW200 Kingston Drive, TrackIr 3000+Vector, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro joystick, Saitek rudder pedals pro, Sharp 42" inch LCD Aquo. OS: windows 7 64bit.
Yeniceri Posted October 13, 2007 Posted October 13, 2007 I love vista too... its lightning fast. Steady Beautiful And beats XP on vray render like 3 times hands down.. It just have a problem on my lockon installation.. And i think the reason is DX8... At BF2, World in conflict, and other new games it is a blast! [sIGPIC]http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa200/misikci/41-imza-1.jpg[/sIGPIC] "To infinity...and beyond!.." SIM-MOD Modeler TURK!
Boberro Posted October 13, 2007 Posted October 13, 2007 I was playing on Vista in FC (Su-25T) and I felt drop framerates about 30%. I had in XP. about 30-50 and above sometimes, but in Vista I had only 20-25-40. Drop is HUGE. Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
X_Man Posted October 13, 2007 Author Posted October 13, 2007 Thanks guys. I will wait for the next combat flight sim that is coded in DX10 before the upgrade.
A.S Posted October 14, 2007 Posted October 14, 2007 i bet dx10 will be once on XP..... just look for "dx10 for xp" in google.... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
graywo1fg Posted October 14, 2007 Posted October 14, 2007 My CO told me that Nvidia is telling windows that in vista the Nvidia cards are getting some kind of horrible error and breaking the cards and its with the operating system and Nvidia is saying that if windows does not make DX10 part of XP they will pull all support for vista O.o i need to find this source to show you :P i'll have to ask Washout. Voice of Jester AI Death From Above =DFA= Squadron Discord - https://discord.gg/deathfromabove http://www.twitch.tv/graywo1f https://www.youtube.com/user/Lonewo1fg
Ven Posted October 14, 2007 Posted October 14, 2007 On Vista 64bit, I've had few issues but it was graphic driver and game setting issues. One thing weird is that I used to had to disable Vsync to get maximum frame rates. But now its the other way around, enabling vsync gives me almost double the frame rates. Of course this took me awhile to figure out and until then, I was bitching like hell about Vista. Other than these little configuration and settings issues, I have zero compatibility issues with Vista 64bit and lockon or any other games. Performance wise... on E6600 and 8800GTX, there's no game I can't run in max graphic setting in Vista 64. And for future DX10 games, Vista of course is better choice.
VMFA-Blaze Posted October 15, 2007 Posted October 15, 2007 BTW, you don't need a DX10 GPU to install DX10. I have it installed on a 7-series card. This actually belongs in the Tech forum, but just so that you know, the series 7 card doesnt fully support DX10... Just because you've installed it on that old card doesn't mean that your seeing eveything that's been rendered.. This series 7 card doesn't physically have all of the pipes that you need to see all the detail that's rendered in DX10... If you can't afford an 8800 you might want to install an 8400, 8500 or 8600 ...these are the equivalent of the series 7 cards but will enable you to see all of the detail of DX10 and at much lower price.. Sorry... Blaze intel Cor i7-6700K ASUS ROG MAX VIII Extreme G.Skill TridentZ Series 32 GB Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SATA II ASUS GTX 1080/DIRECTX 12 Windows 10 PRO Thrustmaster Warthog Oculus Rift VR
TorwaK Posted October 15, 2007 Posted October 15, 2007 i bet dx10 will be once on XP..... just look for "dx10 for xp" in google.... maybe for temporary yes, but not permanently. Microsoft wants to sell Vista so they'll publish updates very often to make people sick who use DX10 with XP. It's harass politician of microsoft. Unfortunatelly I'm slave of this politician like others. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel Core i7-6700K, @5GHz | Asus Maximus Hero VIII | 2 x eVGA GTX 970 SLI | Kingston Predator 16GB DDR4-3000Mhz | 2 x Samsung 850 PRO 240GB RAID-0 | AOC G2460PG G-SYNC LCD | OCULUS RIFT CV1 VR | THRUSTMASTER HOTAS WARTHOG | CH PRO PEDALS
ED Team Groove Posted October 15, 2007 ED Team Posted October 15, 2007 I played a couple of titles Dx9 and Dx10 Bioshock, World In Conflict and some more and the detail difference is really small. Most noticable were the details in World In Conflict. But i think Crysis will make us see the difference. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
S77th-GOYA Posted October 15, 2007 Posted October 15, 2007 Yes, as I undersrtand it, the utilization of DX10 in Bioshock was very small. I played the demo in both DX9 and 10. Not much to tell them apart. Also the upcoming addon for FSX has little improvement over DX9. At least that I've seen in screenshots. It could be that DX10 isn't all that great or devs haven't quite got a handle on its capabilities yet or fully utilizing DX10 puts too much strain on current systems or something else entirely. We'll see. And Crysis seems to be the big hope.
VMFA-Blaze Posted October 16, 2007 Posted October 16, 2007 http://en.akella.com/Game.aspx?id=6 Take a look at this.... The demo down load is really outstanding... I especially like the red gun flashes with the red reflections on the very realistic water... Although the term demo is a little misleading here... This is actually a demo designed to measure your FPS in DX10 using there simulator as the measuring device, so its not interactive as of yet.. My max fps for this simulator was close to 50 fps, and I'm running a BFG 8800 GTS OC 640 (X2) in SLI .... Blaze intel Cor i7-6700K ASUS ROG MAX VIII Extreme G.Skill TridentZ Series 32 GB Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SATA II ASUS GTX 1080/DIRECTX 12 Windows 10 PRO Thrustmaster Warthog Oculus Rift VR
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