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[cichlidfan]

I want to do that on my next birthday! And I think it is a good investment :)

 

I was tempted but a recent $3000 in vet bills with more on the horizon caused me to hold off.

 

Next year, is a whole different matter.

[cichlidfan]

That's.....interesting. Didn't know the Japanese Ground Self-Defense Force had fixed-wing trainers. I guess helicopter pilots start off in fixed-wing?

 

It wasn't part of the event I was at so I have no idea where it came from or who it belonged to. I was at a small municipal airport.

 

EDIT: Look and ye shall find.

 

1955 FUJI LM-1

 

Registry info here:

http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N8020K

Edited June 1, 2013 by cichlidfan

[Nealius]

Wow, right when the JSDF were formed. No wonder I didn't see it listed on Wiki.

[Cookie]

She is, and if I was willing to part with $2000, I could have gone for a spin like the guy in the blue hat in the back of the cockpit.

 

2 grand, huh? Well, since I have already spent 400 bucks for a helicopter ride over the Grand Canyon once and the pilot flat out refused to do any wild maneuvers (something along the lines of "the other passengers wouldn´t appreciate it". Pfff, bunch of sissies... :D), just five times that amount doesn´t sound all that unreasonable, especially since I am sure that pilot won´t mind some zooming and booming.

 

How much time in the air do those $2000 buy you? And do you actually get to do some flying yourself?

Edited June 1, 2013 by Cookie

[cichlidfan]

How much time in the air do those $2000 buy you? And do you actually get to do some flying yourself?

 

Thirty minutes. You can get an hour for around $3000. I did not ask if the clock started at wheels up or not. He did have to get in line with other traffic for the runway so hopefully that did not count.

 

You don't get to fly this one, though the organization does have a T-6 in which you can 'take the controls' (their words). One option for that aircraft is described as a 'one hour aerobatic ride' for $800.

 

Here is the info if you are curious.

 

http://www.airpowersquadron.org/#!manassas-va/c1hf

[Nealius]

Jeebus...with $3000 I can get my glider license and fly all I want whenever I want...

[cichlidfan]

Jeebus...with $3000 I can get my glider license and fly all I want whenever I want...

 

Yes, but that P-51 would probably sell for between $1.5 - $2 million or more. :)

 

That of course doesn't include the usual annual expenses to maintain such an aircraft. Not to mention the insurance rider for taking on passengers.

[Deadman]

Check out the Bone Yard

[cichlidfan]

Very cool! Thanks.

[Cookie]

Here is the info if you are curious.

 

http://www.airpowersquadron.org/#!manassas-va/c1hf

Thanks for the link, looks awesome! Is that something that happens every year?

 

The next time I will presumably be in the US is most likely gonna be around summer 2014, and I will be in your neck of the woods for about a week. So if that show takes place next year as well I might consider adding it to our itinerary if the other guys agree (I´ll be travelling with a bunch of friends, all of whom are ex or active military and/or law enforcement and all with an interest in everything military. We plan to travel around and hit as many museums and airshows as possible on both east and west coast, still working on the exact routing though).

[topol-m]

What's the purpose of those grills?

 

 

[NRG-Vampire]

What's the purpose of those grills?

 

 

i guess for live engine check/maintenance/adjustment - to prevent sucking ground crew

for idle power/thrust - i think for military power or AB inspection they must tie down hardly that animal :)

 

or

waiting for a scramble alert with running engines ?

 

by the way: are those missiles real wild or inert for training ?

(on the wing look real but those blue seem inert)

Edited June 1, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[topol-m]

by the way: are those missiles real wild or inert for training ?

(on the wing look real but those blue seem inert)

 

They must be inert aam-4s, judging by their color, I'm sure I've seen white aam-4s somewhere.

[NRG-Vampire]

They must be inert aam-4s, judging by their color, I'm sure I've seen white aam-4s somewhere.

 

yah, but under wings seem real AAM-3s and under the right intake a Sparrow AAM-N-6 with larger main wings

[topol-m]

yah, but under wings seem real AAM-3s and under the right intake a Sparrow AAM-N-6 with larger main wings

 

Yeah you're right, the one on the right side seems to be a Sparrow missile.

[Crescendo]

[PeCa_Chuck]

i guess for live engine check/maintenance/adjustment - to prevent sucking ground crew

for idle power/thrust - i think for military power or AB inspection they must tie down hardly that animal :)

 

or

waiting for a scramble alert with running engines ?

 

by the way: are those missiles real wild or inert for training ?

(on the wing look real but those blue seem inert)

 

Yes, you are right.

It's actually blocker to prevent human FOD, be called "Fan Guard".

"Fan Guard" is mainly used by maintainers when engine checking.

 

The picture was taken while engine running performance at Hamamatsu Airpark.

Please check the following post.

 

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/blue015/20130421/1366547971

 

yah, but under wings seem real AAM-3s and under the right intake a Sparrow AAM-N-6 with larger main wings

 

There exist white inert round.

You can see it in the above post.

Edited June 1, 2013 by PeCa_Chuck

[cichlidfan]

...pic...

 

Just in case you don't know who that is.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Olds

[Crescendo]

Just in case you don't know who that is.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Olds

 

Yes, I know. It's a famous photo of him.

[Nealius]

They must be inert aam-4s, judging by their color, I'm sure I've seen white aam-4s somewhere.

 

They're both Sparrows. The blue color isn't indicative of inert though, because that's the same shade of blue used on the F-2 and it's wing tanks and ASMs. It looks like there are two darker blue stripes on it though, so probably inert.

 

The heaters on the wings look live though. All of the inert ones I have seen have a blue shaft with a white head/fins.

[Cookie]

Does blue stand for inert in Japan as well? I thought it was just a NATO thing?

[Nealius]

Yes, but it doesn't appear to be consistent. AIM-7Ms typically seem to be blue, but with darker blue (almost black) bands to mark as inert or yellow/brown bands to mark as live. Same for the AAM-4 (AMRAAM). But the AAM-3 is odd. Live ones are either all blue to match the F-2's scheme, or all white. No bands. Inert AAM-3s have a blue shaft but retain a white seeker head and fins.

 

Other ordnance I haven't figured out. The ASM-1 and -2 I have seen as all white, all blue, white with blue bands, or half yellow half red. I know that all blue as carried by the F-2 is live, and the yellow/red is marked "PTM" and is apparently inert. I don't know about the all white ones.

 

Even the Japanese plane spotters can't figure them out :D

Edited June 1, 2013 by Nealius

[topol-m]

They're both Sparrows.

 

 

the one on the left side is not sparrow but aam-4

[Nealius]

the one on the left side is not sparrow but aam-4

 

Are you sure? The one on the pilot's right is clearly an AIM-7M. The one on his left is odd. The forward fins look like an AAM-4 but the rear fins are huge like an AIM-7's.

Edited June 1, 2013 by Nealius

[HungaroJET]

the one on the left side is not sparrow but aam-4

 

Yes, that is AAM-4 Mitsubishi-AMRAAM under left intake.

AAM-N-6 Sparrow (under right intake) has larger wings and smaller fins than wings - AAM-4 has opposite size of wings/fins, moreover the body of AAM-N-6 is a bit wider than AAM-4.

Under left wing you can see an "ordinary" sidewinder (with larger rear wings) not an AAM-3 just same on this image - you can see clearly the differences between AAM-N-6-rear and AAM-4-front. (1st pic)

AAM-4 (2nd pic)

others: Sparrows

 

on last image you can see an inert Sparrow - no yellow (warhead section) and brown (propulsion -rocket motor section) vertical stripes, also missing brownish/rust coloured proximity fuze horizontal stripes/windows on guidance section...so from (that) a distance we cannot see is there a live or inert/training missile (IMHO: live all http://i.imgur.com/YZLHcPa.jpg?1 )

 

Edited June 1, 2013 by HungaroJET