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Since all Russian planes are stuck at 1990 for " reasons " what about the missiles? Watching a vid yesterday I was struck at how op awesome the aim9x is with it being smokeless. The 120 is vastly better than the Russian radar missiles too. Has their missile tech really just stagnated since 1990? No smokeless missiles. No improvement in guidance at all?

 

If we cant have the newer better planes can we at least have the newer better missiles? If we cant have hi fidelity new planes how about FC3 level fidelity new planes?

 

I just think were missing out on something here. It feels a little like blue flying a 1945 P51d vs red in a 1940 Bf 109E4 from the Battle of Britain. lol.

 

Thoughts anyone :)

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Since all Russian planes are stuck at 1990 for " reasons " what about the missiles? Watching a vid yesterday I was struck at how op awesome the aim9x is with it being smokeless. The 120 is vastly better than the Russian radar missiles too. Has their missile tech really just stagnated since 1990? No smokeless missiles. No improvement in guidance at all?

 

If we cant have the newer better planes can we at least have the newer better missiles? If we cant have hi fidelity new planes how about FC3 level fidelity new planes?

 

I just think were missing out on something here. It feels a little like blue flying a 1945 P51d vs red in a 1940 Bf 109E4 from the Battle of Britain. lol.

 

Thoughts anyone :)

 

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Well, strictly speaking, the R-27 I believe is still their most commonly used BVR missile. The (R-33?) Phoenix analog is on the MiG-31, but unflyable.

 

Generally their AAMs have somewhat languished, I think, in RL. Most their ''missile'' attention has gone to advanced SAMs and cruise missiles. The R-77 never really saw widespread adoption, even though it's basically a decent weapon, for example.

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Generally their AAMs have somewhat languished, I think, in RL. Most their ''missile'' attention has gone to advanced SAMs and cruise missiles. The R-77 never really saw widespread adoption, even though it's basically a decent weapon, for example.

 

R-77-1s can be seen like almost every time RuAF fighters fly (except unmodernised MiG-29 and Su-27). Moreover, Su-35S can't carry R-27R/ER at all and R-77-1 is its main A2A missile


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I haven't seen anything to indicate if the 77-1 is in mass production yet. There was publicly stated interest soon after the Russians moved into Syria but there has been no news since if the deal went through or not. + i'm fairly certain the su35 can carry the R/T/ER/ET. In the end though it wasn't even until 2015+ that the 77-1 may or may not have entered anything resembling large scale production.

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I haven't seen anything to indicate if the 77-1 is in mass production yet. There was publicly stated interest soon after the Russians moved into Syria but there has been no news since if the deal went through or not. + i'm fairly certain the su35 can carry the R/T/ER/ET. In the end though it wasn't even until 2015+ that the 77-1 may or may not have entered anything resembling large scale production.

 

Su-35S doesn't have R-27R/ER in its computer, only R-27ET. Well, you could google Su-35s pictures, but i guarantee you, you won't find any R-27R/ER attached to it

 

R-77-1s can be seen under Su-30SMs, Su-27SMs, Su-35s and MiG-31s like on almost any this years' photo with missiles

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I don't think the Russian have remain stagnant, At least that's what they want the others to believe.

 

There are other versions of R-27. There is active radar version like R-27EA and EM version. They provide the latest missiles for export.There is R-77. With active radar missiles, We can take on the Western planes easier.

 

With Semi active, one has to waste one missile to make the other turn away. Seems more like a waste of resources. Break away and you break lock.

 

 

So far we dont have any flyable planes that can use the active radar missiles barring Mig 29S and J-11.

 

Although it does seem senseless that the Naval Su-33 does not have an anti ship missile. That is a must have for naval fighter jets.

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Since all Russian planes are stuck at 1990 for " reasons " what about the missiles? Watching a vid yesterday I was struck at how op awesome the aim9x is with it being smokeless. The 120 is vastly better than the Russian radar missiles too. Has their missile tech really just stagnated since 1990? No smokeless missiles. No improvement in guidance at all?

 

There are quite a few things that have held back Russian missile development. To put them excessively simply:

 

Much of the missile development and production was taking place in Georgian and Ukraine, resulting in a loss of capability when the Soviet Union broke up and worsened when Russia invaded both countries.

 

Many stocks of missiles (such as R-77s and R-27ETs/ERs) were sold off in the 90s on the export market. The Russian fighters in Syria actually had to borrow Syrian R-77s after arriving (suggested by no apparent progress on the government trying to acquire more and their instant fielding after the Su-34 shootdown, having flown only with R-27s and R-73s between arrival and the shootdown).

 

Many of the overhyped missiles like the K-77 are vaporware that never or barely left the drawing board.

 

Tom Cooper has written about it a little bit, here's one of his articles that specifically goes into the paralysis around R-77 development and procurement: https://medium.com/war-is-boring/russias-most-feared-air-to-air-missile-is-actually-kind-of-a-dud-ebebe8b28f4f


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That and the ED programmers in Russia don't want to get a late night visit from the KGB (or their modern day equivalent) about somehow giving away military secrets in a game! :) (even though I'm fully assuming a lot of DCS sales of the hornet, viper and A10 have been to the RuAF for 'practice')

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That and the ED programmers in Russia don't want to get a late night visit from the KGB (or their modern day equivalent) about somehow giving away military secrets in a game! :) (even though I'm fully assuming a lot of DCS sales of the hornet, viper and A10 have been to the RuAF for 'practice')

 

I'm 100% certain that a video game utilising publicly accessible information and abstracted aircraft systems can't tell them anything they don't already know. It would even be useless from a 'procedures' standpoint because they don't fly them.

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I'm interested to see how the new JF-17's

 

SD-10 / PL-12 will be compared to the 120's in game. At least it will give Red a better fox 3 option.

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Much of the missile development and production was taking place in Georgian and Ukraine, resulting in a loss of capability when the Soviet Union broke up and worsened when Russia invaded both countries.

 

Many stocks of missiles (such as R-77s and R-27ETs/ERs) were sold off in the 90s on the export market. The Russian fighters in Syria actually had to borrow Syrian R-77s after arriving (suggested by no apparent progress on the government trying to acquire more and their instant fielding after the Su-34 shootdown, having flown only with R-27s and R-73s between arrival and the shootdown).

 

Ukraine is not capable of producing R-77s

How can russian jets carry syrian R-77s if their avionics is not modified to use them. R-77 and R-77-1 are missiles with different characteristics

 

And last but not least, how could Syrian R-77s appear on russian fighters in russia if they were so needed id SAR...?

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There are other versions of R-27. There is active radar version like R-27EA and EM version. They provide the latest missiles for export.

 

Although it does seem senseless that the Naval Su-33 does not have an anti ship missile. That is a must have for naval fighter jets.

 

R-27EA is not used by RuAF at all

 

Su-33 was made for ship defence from anti-ship missiles and aircraft, not for a2g combat and a huge modernisation now would be irrational as they have little time left and will eventually be replaced with MiG-29K

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R-27EA is not used by RuAF at all

 

Su-33 was made for ship defence from anti-ship missiles and aircraft, not for a2g combat and a huge modernisation now would be irrational as they have little time left and will eventually be replaced with MiG-29K

 

 

 

 

There were versions of R27 active radar. For cost cutting they just they used the R-27 platform. It may not be used by the Russian air force yet, but maybe for the export. They focus on SAM tech or defensive tech than offense. Right now they use R-77.

 

 

 

Su-33 originally was slated to have anti ship ability. But they might have decided not to input it as they just dont see any anti ship attack on them from other ships, but only from airborne threats. It was certainly planned.

 

 

 

There is no point of a Navy fighter that cannot take down a possible shipborne threat. The US navy had (Almost all NATO naval forces had it), if the F-14 could not. There were other type of planes to take care of that. When Su-33 was first operational, There were no other carrier based type fighter that can take out shipborne targets. So, I am sure they at least had anti ship ability on call and planned in emergency (I guess cold war was killing the funds), it was presented in airshows next to it...at least for the export market.

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There were versions of R27 active radar.

 

 

 

Su-33 originally was slated to have anti ship ability. But they might have decided not to input it as they just dont see any anti ship attack on them from other ships, but only from airborne threats. It was certainly planned.

 

There is no point of a Navy fighter that cannot take down a possible shipborne threat..

 

Only dummies of R-27EA were ever created

 

Soviet carriers had different doctrine than american ones, they were built just to defend ICBM subs from attacks from the air

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Only dummies of R-27EA were ever created

 

Soviet carriers had different doctrine than american ones, they were built just to defend ICBM subs from attacks from the air

 

Indeed, every ''carrier'' had a bevy of antiship missiles themselves. They were literally heavy cruisers with a bolt on flight deck to protecr strategic weapons (Ballistic missile subs, as mentioned) from rovibg ASW aircraft, and to provide limited local air defense. There was no significant requirement for multirole aircraft, and the reduced range and payload from the ski jump was largely a non-issue. They didn't have to fly very far.

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